No we did not. Akainu did more damage to Whitebeard than even Garp could with a free attack. Going by your logic Akainu has to be stronger than Garp. Hell, Akainu could probably do more damage to Whitebeard in their final countermen with one attack than Whitebeard himself could probably do with any single attack to a top-tier.
The difference between the effects of Jozu and Aokiji's attacks tell us absolutely nothing about the power gap. I don't understand how or why you'd continue to use logic you yourself admit to being flimsy.
Way to completely miss the point. We all know Garp is now going to be more lethal than Akainu. Use Pirate King Luffy if you want, doesn't make a difference.
You yourself gave the example of Luffy and Zoro getting a free hit on one another. By your own logic Zoro is stronger than Luffy.
If I'm following you correctly, you're saying Akainu could do more damage to someone with his attack than Whitebeard/Garp/Anyone we choose to anyone else.
What I'm saying is, if we're comparing two people who're fighting each other, not someone else, of differing power levels, then we would possibly see who's superior if you allowed the two to get a free hit on the other.
This happened with:
Luffy v. Magellan (Winner: Mag)
Luffy v. Bellamy (Winner: Luffy)
Croc v. Jozu (No winner, but we know who would've won)
And others (those were off the top off my head)
I'm not saying it's perfect logic, because it's not. I'm just going about this from a pseudo case study point of view, using specific examples from past fights to try and explain the outcome of J and Aokiji.
So you think Zoro is stronger than Luffy? Because if they fought each other twice and each got a free hit on the other Zoro would do a lot more damage to Luffy than vice-versa.
What's really baffling here is the fact that you're following logic you admit is flawed. That's like willingly putting your hand in a fire despite knowing it burns you.
So are you telling me you base your opinions on logic with clear flaws? Then there's no standards here. You can literally believe anything you want.
And you didn't answer the Zoro and Luffy question. Zoro is stronger than Luffy based on your logic, do you deny this?
why are you guys saying jozu.
if you guys are saying jozu then you gotta say shiliew too.
pls dont say shiliew.
No, I think I'm just the first to admit that my logic isn't flawless, especially in a one piece debate.
The dependent variable in my reasoning is that we're assuming (or we know) that the two fighters have different power levels. As far as we know, Zoro and Luffy are very close, if not as strong as, each other. Plus, didn't they fight before?
The problem isn't you admitting your logic is flawed. The problem is you admitting your logic is flawed but still believing it. The fact that this is about a manga is irreverent. You've made it so that you can believe literally anything you want. We follow certain trains of thought because they make sense to us and we abandon certain trains of thought because they don't make sense to us. But here you are saying you believe in a train of thought that, by your own admission, doesn't make sense.
Except that your entire reason for saying Aokiji and Jozu are not very close in power is how the other reacted to getting attacked while off-guard so you can't say it only works if we already know the two people arent close in power. Also, if we already know the two people in question are not on the same level why do we need the example of them being hit while off-guard to tell us that?
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I wouldn't say it is a stomp but I still believe that Jozu has got this. I mean Hancock is definitely faster and more agile but it is literally one hit from Jozu and then gg Hancock. This would be a long tiring fight but eventually Jozu wins with mid-high difficulty.