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    You forgot that Zeref is immortal as well.

    And White Zeref has Timehax.He resets the World and Ban getting erased
    I don't give much to his immortality since it can be overpowered by brute strength.

    He can only 'reset' anything with access to the Ravines.

    and it's time travel. He would essentially be running away.

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    He's reversing time.

    Meanwhile he can just bind Ban or turn him into a mouse



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    We can save us that discussion since he can't use it here anyway.

    Neither of which is working on people at Bans level

    what's he gonna do anyway? He can't kill him, Bans immortality is way better than his lol.

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    What might work is Jacobs BFR. However. Can't think of anything besides.
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    FT abilities are magic power based.

    Ban is a physical strength guy, weak magic capabilities.

    He also scales far below Etherion, so no, he's not even making it to Zeref.

    Ban's immortality doesn't matter much when as soon as he finishes up Hunting Fest he's unable to move.

    Bloodman can also just sense wipe him.



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    No one below Zeref, hell it starts with Acnologia, scales to Etherion regardless of what yield you want to attribute to it.

    We had the Wahl argument a solid 30 times and you know how that turned out historically.

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    Wall is already capable of Etherion using nuclear fission.

    Meanwhile the current season of the anime is canon and we saw Wall's Etherion in orbit

    Brandish shrinks Ban into a toy and then pops his head.



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    That's the same old argument, it doesn't matter if he's technically capable of something like etherion - we don't know his DC, we never saw it and that is all there is to it.

    Besides, if Wahl has an etherion setup that makes it so no one above him can scale to him anyway since it would be an external apparition even if we knew the DC. Alright.

    Pop the guys head who came back from being turned into blood stains? He's way too much to her either way.

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    There's nothing to suggest there's a weaker version of Etherion.

    It's got a specific energy value and unless something is indicated towards it, it's neither above or below the specific technique.

    We're even given a far more advanced and fast method of achieving such from the most advanced piece of machinery in FT.


    What's it gonna matter when Ban is mouse sized and Brandish becomes a giant?

    Or the fact after hunting fest he's unable to fight.



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    Well no you have to prove it's as strong. Not the other way around, not how it works when its convenient.
    The fact still remains that to your appointed canon it's an external machine which means nobody can scale anyway, which is honestly quite funny.

    He never even bothered to use HF in the fight against the DK. Why would he use it against peopel significantly weaker than him? The hax you mention was never used on anyone of note.

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    How does Ban deal with FH Zeref's time rewind?

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    He can't use it without the ravines.

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    also yeah this is trivecta, bye I guess.

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    And there's nothing to prove it's weaker. Until otherwise proven it's neither weaker or stronger. It's set at the standard of Etherion which we know has a specific energy output.

    It's not a machine. Etherion is charged through magic means, Wall is far more advanced than Fiore and developed a superior way to create it.

    No idea why you guys still hold Etherion to a high standard when it hasn't been a big deal in FT In a long time. It's been surpassed by multiple things for a while.

    And? He had aid from others in his team while fighting the DK, who wasn't even impressive to the slightest degree.

    Brandish would still shrink Ban. He doesn't have much for magic, so he can't just shrug it off.

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    He can't use it without the ravines.

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    also yeah this is trivecta, bye I guess.
    Which is a form of Zeref.



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    Rax, you're running in circles with the Etherion argument.

    We A: Never seen his DC with it and B: it's an external machine floating in space.

    There's no way anyone will ever scale to it. If you honestly go as far as saying 'it's not a machine' which jesus, is hilarious, then I think people can build their own opinion about this at this point. If Wahl could just use it based on his own mana output he wouldn't need the setup that floats in space in the first place.

    So he would use HF on people significantly weaker than himself while he hasn't used on the DK who on multiple times drew blood through physical strikes.
    I'll just let that stand like that.

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    Zeref needs Fairy Heart *and* the Ravines for the reversal. He doesn't have the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y View Post
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    He can't use it without the ravines.

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    also yeah this is trivecta, bye I guess.
    Nah, I meant the "time reversal" power, where can can reverse any damage done to him. He has that ability without RoT

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    Etherion isn't a floating machine. It's a spell.

    You're assuming it's weaker. You can't assume it's stronger or weaker than the spell. It has a specific amount to it we were given. Unless otherwise stated it has that specific amount.

    Even if it were a machine it wouldn't only push it more. Wall is the most advanced machine in FT.


    Except it'd be his only option.

    Jacob BFRs him

    Brandish shrinks him.

    Irene turns him into a mouse.

    August copies and negates him.

    Bloodman sense wipes him.


    Invel thought locks him


    Larcade soul releases him

    Ajeel drains him and buries him underground.

    Ban is just physical attacks with hax he's barely used against anyone worth a damn.

    He's got little magic, meaning he's not gonna be resisting much for hax given their world's energy is magic, and unless he's got enough of that he's falling prey to Sp12 hax.

    Skaryion also turns him to ash.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Torch View Post
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    Nah, I meant the "time reversal" power, where can can reverse any damage done to him. He has that ability without RoT
    Yeah, he can do that. He only used it defensively thus far though and if I remember correctly, he only did it against one single attack for some reason too.

    Did I miss something that prevented him from doing that or did he just like, forget.

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    also Rax. I really need you to understand this and for the sake of it I'll ignore the we've never seen the blast part.

    Wahl is using Etherion through an external apparition. There is absolutely no way to scale this unless you give other people access to it. There is no basis for him having the energy yield to use it on its lonesome.

    It's either
    A: He uses the exact same setup as Etherion to facilitate the attack or
    B: He uses it without in which case the need to see the actually DC becomes even more pressing and absolutely mandatory, which it already is for starters.

    in case A you can't scale it to anyway, in case B the DC is a complete unknown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Torch View Post
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    Nah, I meant the "time reversal" power, where can can reverse any damage done to him. He has that ability without RoT
    That's his curse.

    And given Zeref is casually Irene and drained FH almost instantly It's just gonna be a simply task for him to take Ban's immortality.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Y View Post
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    Yeah, he can do that. He only used it defensively thus far though and if I remember correctly, he only did it against one single attack for some reason too.

    Did I miss something that prevented him from doing that or did he just like, forget.
    Plot obviously. Same reason as to why the Demon King didn't use any of his abilities despite having them.
    Also, Natsu "burned away" Fairy Heart, which also disabled him to reverse, since he.. well lost the power to do so.

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    His healing and regen is from his curse, not time manipulation.



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