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    Monet vs Aokiji

    If Ace can be burned by Akainu can Monet be frozen by Aokiji.

    This isn't a versus thread im just asking can Monet be frozen without Haki.

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    I'm going to say no. I think Akainu still used haki in order to hit Ace. Just because magma is better than fire, it shouldn't automatically bypass the intangibility factor.

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    I think so too but the way it was written Magma has some magical power to burn fire.

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    He can try to freeze her but it wouldn't do anything.

    Snow is Ice

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    no it's ice particles not...lol not about to get scientific. Though you but a snowball in a deep freezer and it does get harder.

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    I guess the opposition could take the stand that the wax fruit was able to stop the poison fruit. I hope Akainu used haki in order to hit Ace because if he didn't, we may see other fruits with a similar elemental advantages.

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    I'll say there's a good chance. Aokiji's ice is a different structure than Monet's snow. If he encases her in say, ice ball, well I don't think she could freely move about since it's not just her own snow. It's Aokiji's ice.


    In accordance to Akainu hitting Ace, well his magma could very well have smothered Ace's fire and thus he could burn him. So the same way as to how Crocodile can't be sand if he's wet due to the sand not being able to disperse if you could smother Ace's fire then he has no logia defense.

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    In accordance to Akainu hitting Ace, well his magma could very well have smothered Ace's fire and thus he could burn him. So the same way as to how Crocodile can't be sand if he's wet due to the sand not being able to disperse if you could smother Ace's fire then he has no logia defense.
    Very good point. I did forget about that. Then I'm sure Caesar could basically render Ace's fruit useless as well by taking away the oxygen.

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    She probably can.

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    One Piece logic. Ice > Snow.

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    Not really, its TMF logic that Ice> Snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaang View Post
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    If Ace can be burned by Akainu can Monet be frozen by Aokiji.

    This isn't a versus thread im just asking can Monet be frozen without Haki.
    tbqh Ace wasn't in logia when Akainu magma fisted him


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    It doesn't matter because Akainu can burn him anyway. Remember Fire Fist vs Dai Funka? Remember Akainu saying that his logia is superior to Ace's fire? I'm really, really sure that it's the same here. Kuzan's fruit is hierarchically superior to Monet's just snow.

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    It'd be disappointing if that was the case. I mean if Aces had the exact same physical stats and Haki mastery, but was bested solely by Akainu because of his Devil Fruit, it'd make the idea of Top Tier feel very elitist.

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    He can try to freeze her but it wouldn't do anything.

    Snow is Ice
    Snow is not ice in the same type of way. The Ex-admiral takes this with ease.

    Example it can be so cold to the point only ice forms and no snow falls.
    Last edited by Ebony-chan; 10-24-2012 at 03:12 PM.

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    Exactly, snow is not ice.

    Like I said in the other thread, snow is frozen water vapour.

    Ice is frozen water. So the difference is, the one goes from gas to solid and the other goes from liquid to solid.

    Also Aokiji had the cold cold fruit, not the ice ice fruit. Meaning he can freeze her snowflakes together making her unable to move again in her logia form.

    Aokiji freezes her but.
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    Only if Aokiji's fruit has superiority over her's.
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    When Jinbei comes back to the Straw Hats with tears in his eyes because he was able to break off the deal with Big Mom and somehow evade her, just as he reaches out to Luffy saying "Luffy-kun! I pledge my allegiance to you ---" he's cut off as several holes open up in his torso. His eyes bulge wide as he looks down with blood starting to pour from his wounds and mouth. He falls to his knees as Luffy runs up to him but by the time he hits the ground, he's already dead.

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    I'll try to keep this spoiler friendly, but basically Kumagawa is an extremely original character in a genre that is oversaturated with the same character archetypes that are repeatedly used over and over, and his character is done very well so that in and of itself should put him on an above average level as a character. the only thing he has going for him is that he happens to be the single most negative person on the planet. he's a born loser because he has never won a single thing in his life (by "single thing" I don't mean a single fight, I mean he loses at literally everything he does, he's not smart, he's not good looking, he's not popular, he's weak, etc. etc.). his main goal is pretty unique among shonen villains, it can basically be boiled down to jealousy, which is actually a realistic and relatable motive (maybe not to the extreme that he's taken it, but yeah). he also tries to keep this side of him permanently hidden under a facade which can be best described as being very similar to the Joker's personality

    he is a great villain because of how relatable his motive is, his methods are unconventional and unpredictable, both his powers and fighting style are pretty original (kind of important for a battle manga), and he is smart/strong enough as a villain to make his arc interesting and suspenseful (well as much suspense as possible for someone who is incapable of winning anything ever. at times the tension will become more like "how will Kumagawa even manage to lose this fight" rather than "how will the protagonists even manage to win this fight"). the entire "unable to win anything" dynamic is extremely unique for a villain who provides by far the biggest challenge for the protagonists (at that point in the story at least). his unpredictability isn't him doing random things for the sake of being random which would just ruin the story, they are extremely random from our (normal) points of view but from his twisted ways of thinking they make sense and work for the most part. his relatability and flaws aren't always present right from his introduction, he's initially presented as almost a Gary Tsu-type character except apparently he's really negative and somehow loses all the time, but we simultaneously get to watch how increasingly twisted but at the same time human of a character he is, and then he finally drops his facade fully and we learn his true motive.


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    I like Koffing a lot because I feel he encompasses all the good traits of a non-animal pokemon. People like to complain about how pokemon nowadays are made out of stupid shit like Ice Cream cones and Gears, Koffing's concept is no more normal than this, but the implementation of Koffing's concept into a recognizable character and cool monster is what makes him one of my favorite pokemon.

    He represents air pollution and the undesirable, mutated life that is feared can result from this pollution. But instead of wallowing in his seemingly unwanted existence, Koffing embraces life with a Jolly no-fucks-given attitude. He's happy to be alive and enjoys it by taking big risks. His survival depends on his ability to create and release highly toxic gases, and for no fucking reason he'll just explode instantaneously. He sports a skull and cross bones on his body. He can not only attack with all sorts of poisonous gases and substances, but use a wide array of fire type attacks as well.

    Koffing is inheritely hardcore. Akainu can try all he wants to become a pirate killing machine, but Koffing is the fucking embodiment of destruction and thrives on all things dangerous to life. If Luffy were a pokemon, he'd be a fucking Koffing. You know who's going to kick Akainu's ass? Luffy.

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    Only if Aokiji's fruit has superiority over her's.
    snow can be freezen to the point it becomes hard and stiff. Monet is going nowhere.

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    Aokiji's is going for an ICE TIME right there.
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