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    Monet vs Aokiji

    If Ace can be burned by Akainu can Monet be frozen by Aokiji.

    This isn't a versus thread im just asking can Monet be frozen without Haki.

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    I'm going to say no. I think Akainu still used haki in order to hit Ace. Just because magma is better than fire, it shouldn't automatically bypass the intangibility factor.

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    I think so too but the way it was written Magma has some magical power to burn fire.

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    He can try to freeze her but it wouldn't do anything.

    Snow is Ice

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    no it's ice particles not...lol not about to get scientific. Though you but a snowball in a deep freezer and it does get harder.

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    I guess the opposition could take the stand that the wax fruit was able to stop the poison fruit. I hope Akainu used haki in order to hit Ace because if he didn't, we may see other fruits with a similar elemental advantages.

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    I'll say there's a good chance. Aokiji's ice is a different structure than Monet's snow. If he encases her in say, ice ball, well I don't think she could freely move about since it's not just her own snow. It's Aokiji's ice.


    In accordance to Akainu hitting Ace, well his magma could very well have smothered Ace's fire and thus he could burn him. So the same way as to how Crocodile can't be sand if he's wet due to the sand not being able to disperse if you could smother Ace's fire then he has no logia defense.

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    In accordance to Akainu hitting Ace, well his magma could very well have smothered Ace's fire and thus he could burn him. So the same way as to how Crocodile can't be sand if he's wet due to the sand not being able to disperse if you could smother Ace's fire then he has no logia defense.
    Very good point. I did forget about that. Then I'm sure Caesar could basically render Ace's fruit useless as well by taking away the oxygen.

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    She probably can.

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    One Piece logic. Ice > Snow.

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    Not really, its TMF logic that Ice> Snow.

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    It's one and the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaang View Post
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    If Ace can be burned by Akainu can Monet be frozen by Aokiji.

    This isn't a versus thread im just asking can Monet be frozen without Haki.
    tbqh Ace wasn't in logia when Akainu magma fisted him


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    It doesn't matter because Akainu can burn him anyway. Remember Fire Fist vs Dai Funka? Remember Akainu saying that his logia is superior to Ace's fire? I'm really, really sure that it's the same here. Kuzan's fruit is hierarchically superior to Monet's just snow.

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    It'd be disappointing if that was the case. I mean if Aces had the exact same physical stats and Haki mastery, but was bested solely by Akainu because of his Devil Fruit, it'd make the idea of Top Tier feel very elitist.

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    He can try to freeze her but it wouldn't do anything.

    Snow is Ice
    Snow is not ice in the same type of way. The Ex-admiral takes this with ease.

    Example it can be so cold to the point only ice forms and no snow falls.
    Last edited by Ebony-chan; 10-24-2012 at 03:12 PM.

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    Exactly, snow is not ice.

    Like I said in the other thread, snow is frozen water vapour.

    Ice is frozen water. So the difference is, the one goes from gas to solid and the other goes from liquid to solid.

    Also Aokiji had the cold cold fruit, not the ice ice fruit. Meaning he can freeze her snowflakes together making her unable to move again in her logia form.

    Aokiji freezes her but.


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    Only if Aokiji's fruit has superiority over her's.

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    Only if Aokiji's fruit has superiority over her's.
    snow can be freezen to the point it becomes hard and stiff. Monet is going nowhere.

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    Aokiji's is going for an ICE TIME right there.

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