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    CyK randoms tier list

    current character pool to be placed:




    Baijo
    Batei
    Bunen
    Feego King
    Fuuki
    Gakuei
    Goba
    Heki
    Junsou
    Kanou
    Kinmou
    Kousonryuu
    Kyuugen
    Makou
    Mangoku
    Ranbihaku
    Rihaku
    Rokuomi
    Ryuukoku
    Ryuutou
    Shoumou
    Futei
    Hakurei
    Kaine
    Kouyoku
    Kyoukai
    Mouten
    Ouhon
    Shin
    Ten
    Domon
    Doukin
    En
    Gika
    Hakukisai
    Hyoushiga
    Kanjou
    Kokuou
    Kou Rigen
    Maron
    Mouki
    Raido
    Rinbou
    Shinseijou
    Shunmen
    Sosui
    Tajifu
    Zenou


    Tier S

    Duke Hyou
    Gokei
    Kanki
    Kanmei
    Moubu
    Ouki
    Ousen
    Renpa
    Riboku
    Shouheikun
    Tou
    Yotanwa
    Karin

    Tier S-

    Earl Shi
    Gekishin
    Reiou
    Gaimou
    Gyouun
    Keisha

    Tier A

    Tier B

    Tier C

    @Juan; @Zentos; @bootleg boy; @gn_x00; @Great Potato; and anyone else interested, let's get to it. I'd say we start with S and then go down. and we vote to put people in, should be majority depending on the pool of voters so right now with us, 4 votes will cement a spot (vote in [bold brackets]). I'll start off with who should definitely be in tier S, just agree and disagree.

    out of our previous tier S, these guys should definitely stay without a doubt imo:

    Duke Hyou
    Gokei
    Kanki
    Kanmei
    Moubu
    Ouki
    Ousen
    Renpa
    Riboku
    Shouheikun
    Tou
    Yotanwa
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    [agree to keeping those in S]

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    Can we create a S- tier while we're at it?
    the guys who aren't worthy of S rank is clearly still much better than most of the guys in A. We can probably add some of the highest tier of A to S- too later on (Genpou and Gyou'un comes to mind)

    TIER S
    Duke Hyou [Keep in S]
    Earl Shi [Lower to S-]
    Gekishin [Lower to S-]
    Gohoumei [Lower to S-]
    Gokei [Keep in S]
    Houken [Lower to S-]
    Kanki [Keep in S]
    Kanmei [Keep in S]
    Karin [Keep in S]
    Moubu [Keep in S]
    Ouki [Keep in S]
    Ousen [Keep in S]
    Reiou [Lower to S-]
    Renpa [Keep in S]
    Riboku [Keep in S]
    Shouheikun [Keep in S]
    Tou [Keep in S]
    Yotanwa [Keep in S]

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn_x00 View Post
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    Can we create a S- tier while we're at it?
    the guys who aren't worthy of S rank is clearly still much better than most of the guys in A. We can probably add some of the highest tier of A to S- too later on (Genpou and Gyou'un comes to mind)

    TIER S
    Duke Hyou [Keep in S]
    Earl Shi [Lower to S-]
    Gekishin [Lower to S-]
    Gohoumei [Lower to S-]
    Gokei [Keep in S]
    Houken [Lower to S-]
    Kanki [Keep in S]
    Kanmei [Keep in S]
    Karin [Keep in S]
    Moubu [Keep in S]
    Ouki [Keep in S]
    Ousen [Keep in S]
    Reiou [Lower to S-]
    Renpa [Keep in S]
    Riboku [Keep in S]
    Shouheikun [Keep in S]
    Tou [Keep in S]
    Yotanwa [Keep in S]
    I was thinking of bumping guys like Earl Shi and Gekishin down a tier. I'm open to making new tiers but we gotta balance and outline the comp of the team randomizer



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    I was thinking of bumping guys like Earl Shi and Gekishin down a tier. I'm open to making new tiers but we gotta balance and outline the comp of the team randomizer
    well, if we compare the likes of Earl Shi and Gekishin to Rinko/Kaishibou though. feels like they are not at the same level at all.

    Gyou'un/Genpou and Ordo (for his mountain specialization) might be worthy to be promoted to S- if we decide to make one.

    Well, the way i see it, if all inside the tier itself is comparable in value, the end result will be balanced as long as they're taken from the same tiers composition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gn_x00 View Post
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    well, if we compare the likes of Earl Shi and Gekishin to Rinko/Kaishibou though. feels like they are not at the same level at all.

    Gyou'un/Genpou and Ordo (for his mountain specialization) might be worthy to be promoted to S- if we decide to make one.

    Well, the way i see it, if all inside the tier itself is comparable in value, the end result will be balanced as long as they're taken from the same tiers composition.
    but I do feel like they're comparable to Akou/Gyouun/Genbou.

    I'd say we take care of who deserves to be in tier S first, then decide if we need to make a tier S- when we tackle the old tier A and previous tier S leftovers



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    Our perceptions of these generals are so different I think we won't be getting another tier list at all, just like last time.

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    probably would've been easier to just edit the last one a little tbh
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    Here's my proposal. Threw some of them out, redid the rest. I think we need to put an accent on the high and top tier only, while the rest honestly should be left to RNG mostly. Tier A is there for the same reason Gn mentioned, they aren't quite up there, but they're also clearly better than those below. Anyway, this isn't final, but I thought I'd just give us a starting point and go from there.

    Tier S

    Duke Hyou
    Gohoumei
    Gokei
    Kanki
    Kanmei
    Karin
    Moubu
    Ouki
    Ousen
    Renpa
    Riboku
    Shouheikun
    Tou
    Yotanwa


    Tier A

    Earl Shi
    Gekishin
    Houken
    Keisha
    Ordo
    Reiou


    Tier B

    Akou
    Bananji
    Chougaryuu
    Gaimou
    Genbou
    Gyou'un
    Kaishibou
    Kisui
    Kyouen
    Mouten
    Ouhon
    Rinbukun
    Rinko
    Seikai
    Shin
    Shuusuiju


    Tier C

    Baijo
    Batei
    Bunen
    Chousou
    Choutou
    Domon
    Doukin
    Feego King
    Futei
    Fuuki
    Gakuei
    Goba
    Hakurei
    Heki
    Hyoushiga
    Junsou
    Kaine
    Kaioku
    Kanjou
    Kanou
    Kinmou
    Koku'ou
    Kousonryuu
    Kouyoku
    Kyoukai
    Kyuugen
    Makou
    Mangoku
    Maron
    Mougou
    Raido
    Ranbihaku
    Rihaku
    Rinbou
    Rokuomi
    Ryuukoku
    Ryuutou
    Shinseijou
    Shoumou
    Shunmen
    Ten
    Zenou

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zentos View Post
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    Here's my proposal. Threw some of them out, redid the rest. I think we need to put an accent on the high and top tier only, while the rest honestly should be left to RNG mostly. Tier A is there for the same reason Gn mentioned, they aren't quite up there, but they're also clearly better than those below. Anyway, this isn't final, but I thought I'd just give us a starting point and go from there.

    Tier S

    Duke Hyou
    Gohoumei
    Gokei
    Kanki
    Kanmei
    Karin
    Moubu
    Ouki
    Ousen
    Renpa
    Riboku
    Shouheikun
    Tou
    Yotanwa


    Tier A

    Earl Shi
    Gekishin
    Houken
    Keisha
    Ordo
    Reiou


    Tier B

    Akou
    Bananji
    Chougaryuu
    Gaimou
    Genbou
    Gyou'un
    Kaishibou
    Kisui
    Kyouen
    Mouten
    Ouhon
    Rinbukun
    Rinko
    Seikai
    Shin
    Shuusuiju


    Tier C

    Baijo
    Batei
    Bunen
    Chousou
    Choutou
    Domon
    Doukin
    Feego King
    Futei
    Fuuki
    Gakuei
    Goba
    Hakurei
    Heki
    Hyoushiga
    Junsou
    Kaine
    Kaioku
    Kanjou
    Kanou
    Kinmou
    Koku'ou
    Kousonryuu
    Kouyoku
    Kyoukai
    Kyuugen
    Makou
    Mangoku
    Maron
    Mougou
    Raido
    Ranbihaku
    Rihaku
    Rinbou
    Rokuomi
    Ryuukoku
    Ryuutou
    Shinseijou
    Shoumou
    Shunmen
    Ten
    Zenou
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootleg boy View Post
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    You're right, SSJ and Gyou'un should be in a separate, God tier.

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    i think zentos has the right idea, at least for the start, but the tiers shouldn't be so numerically imbalanced, i believe.

    it'd be better to make an s- or a+ tier for the gekinshin level guys while making the actual a tier for people of gyou'un/akou/hk level.

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    really couldn't just let this absolute monstrosity of a list slide in good conscience, so here's a much more accurate and layered one edited from crispy's format

    TIER S


    Duke Hyou
    Go Hou Mei
    Go Kei
    Kan Ki
    Kan Mei
    Ka Rin
    Mou Bu
    Ou Ki
    Ou Sen
    Rei Ou
    Ren Pa
    Ri Boku
    Shou Hei Kun
    Tou
    Yo Tan Wa

    TIER A


    A Kou
    Geki Shin
    Gai Mou
    Earl Shi
    Gyou'un
    Kei Sha
    Ordo
    Shuu Sui Ju
    Mou Ten
    Ou Hon
    Shin
    Hou Ken

    TIER B


    Gen Pou
    Chou Sou
    Kai Shi Bou
    Ki Sui
    Kyou En
    Mou Gou
    Sei Kai
    Chou Ga Ryuu
    Ba Nan Ji
    Rin Bu Kun
    Rin Ko
    Ba Jio
    Ba Tei
    Bunen
    Feego King
    Fuu Ki
    Goba
    Jun Sou
    Ka Ryo Ten
    Ma Kou
    Ran Bi Haku
    Roku O Mi
    Ryuu Koku
    Ryuu Tou
    Shou Mou
    Rai Do


    TIER C


    Chou Tou
    Ri Haku
    Ka Nou
    Kin Mou
    Kou Son Ryuu
    Man Goku
    Gaku Ei
    Heki
    Kyuu Gen
    Dou Kin
    Rin Bou


    TIER CAPTAINS


    Fu Tei
    Haku Rei
    Kaine
    Kou Yoku
    Kyou Kai
    A Ka Kin

    TIER MINORS


    Do Mon
    En
    Gika
    Haku Ki Sai
    Hyoushiga
    Kan Jou
    Koku Ou
    Kou Rigen
    Ma Ron
    Mou Ki
    Shin Sei Jou
    So Sui
    Tajifu
    Zenou
    Shunmen


    -

    so now we don't have characters that can stomp each other in the same tier

    and we don't have characters a whole tier below others they're explicitly no worse than

    if nothing else this should serve as a much better baseline to establish a consensus
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    Your delusions don't reach out to other KP regulars though, no idea why you'd use them as a baseline. The list isn't made for a single person, it's made to reflect the general state of KP and how they view the characters, not how you or me view them. Placing Genpou in the same tier as Raido is exactly the kind of stomp you were referring to, so I'm not sure if this was supposed to be taken as some kind of joke.

    Won't even say anything about En and Zenou, I'll just laugh at it together with the rest of the list.

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    i think zentos has the right idea, at least for the start, but the tiers shouldn't be so numerically imbalanced, i believe.

    it'd be better to make an s- or a+ tier for the gekinshin level guys while making the actual a tier for people of gyou'un/akou/hk level.
    Yeah A tier is kinda weird, but C could be that big since they're all mostly kinda okay vassals, but not much more.

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    your work is more balanced numerically, but the tier a bracket needs to be fixed.

    as i said, we need an s- tier.

    [Motion to add a S- bracket]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan View Post
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    your work is more balanced numerically, but the tier a bracket needs to be fixed.

    as i said, we need an s- tier.

    [Motion to add a S- bracket]
    Just add it, or even better, make the whole list. You're the #1 in KP technically, and we won't get anywhere dragging our balls. We could vote yes/no for your list and edit that if there are some changes needed, but the rest shoudln't be this slow.

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    that said, keep the personal attacks out of the thread. refute the arguments, not the people.

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    Just add it, or even better, make the whole list. You're the #1 in KP technically, and we won't get anywhere dragging our balls. We could vote yes/no for your list and edit that if there are some changes needed, but the rest shoudln't be this slow.
    yeah, I'll work on that. I'm not good on literally all the names, but I'm good on the baseline level so you all can have an idea for the characters i don't mention.

    give me a few minutes.

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    Everyone start making their Canon tier list is exactly what we need to make sure this will never end

    Just get a base list and work from there, be it crispy or Zentos or whoever instead of each making their personal shitlist

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    Tier S

    Duke Hyou
    Ouki
    Ousen
    Renpa
    Riboku
    Karin
    Kanki
    Reiou
    Gohoumei
    Gokei
    Moubu
    Tou
    Shouheikun


    Tier S-

    Gekishin
    Earl Shi
    Gaimou
    Ordo
    Keisha


    Tier A
    Gyou'un
    Chougaryuu
    Kyouen
    Rinko
    Genbou
    Kaishibou
    Bananji
    Shin (Post Awakening)
    Ouhon (Post Awakening)
    Mouten (Post Awakening)
    Shuunsuiju (subject to change, i could buy him being S-)
    Akou


    Tier B
    Rokuomi
    Junsou
    Kisui
    Batei
    Maron
    Ryoukoku


    Tier C

    Kanou
    Rinbou
    Mangoku
    Rihaku


    I gotta run, but this is the baseline.

    reiou is at s unlike the other fds because aside from better hype, sheer intellect can make you gg level, while e.shi and gaimou are more on the brute side.

    add a lower tier for guys on domon and eibi level.

    didn't add choutou and mougou cause i couldn't figure out a placement. argue it amongst yourselves, I'll be back in around an hour.

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    why're we putting gyou'un behind the s- people

    he's been put pretty explicitly above the likes of e.shi, and gai mou. has better feats. also, any thread where he's pit against these characters implies the general belief is that there's a level of parity between him, and those characters; like kei sha, for instance.

    same with the new gen.
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