CyK randoms tier list

**Void** · 02-11-2019, 03:05 AM

current character pool to be placed:

Tier S

Duke Hyou
Gokei
Kanki
Kanmei
Moubu
Ouki
Ousen
Renpa
Riboku
Shouheikun
Tou
Yotanwa
Karin

Tier S-

Earl Shi
Gekishin
Reiou
Gaimou
Gyouun
Keisha

Tier A

Tier B

Tier C

@Juan; @Zentos; @bootleg boy; @gn_x00; @Great Potato; and anyone else interested, let's get to it. I'd say we start with S and then go down. and we vote to put people in, should be majority depending on the pool of voters so right now with us, 4 votes will cement a spot (vote in [bold brackets]). I'll start off with who should definitely be in tier S, just agree and disagree.

out of our previous tier S, these guys should definitely stay without a doubt imo:

Duke Hyou
Gokei
Kanki
Kanmei
Moubu
Ouki
Ousen
Renpa
Riboku
Shouheikun
Tou
Yotanwa

**Juan** · 02-11-2019, 04:23 AM

[agree to keeping those in S]

**gn_x00** · 02-11-2019, 04:39 AM

Can we create a S- tier while we're at it?
the guys who aren't worthy of S rank is clearly still much better than most of the guys in A. We can probably add some of the highest tier of A to S- too later on (Genpou and Gyou'un comes to mind)

TIER S
Duke Hyou [Keep in S]
Earl Shi [Lower to S-]
Gekishin [Lower to S-]
Gohoumei [Lower to S-]
Gokei [Keep in S]
Houken [Lower to S-]
Kanki [Keep in S]
Kanmei [Keep in S]
Karin [Keep in S]
Moubu [Keep in S]
Ouki [Keep in S]
Ousen [Keep in S]
Reiou [Lower to S-]
Renpa [Keep in S]
Riboku [Keep in S]
Shouheikun [Keep in S]
Tou [Keep in S]
Yotanwa [Keep in S]

**Void** · 02-11-2019, 05:47 AM

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Can we create a S- tier while we're at it?
the guys who aren't worthy of S rank is clearly still much better than most of the guys in A. We can probably add some of the highest tier of A to S- too later on (Genpou and Gyou'un comes to mind)

TIER S
Duke Hyou [Keep in S]
Earl Shi [Lower to S-]
Gekishin [Lower to S-]
Gohoumei [Lower to S-]
Gokei [Keep in S]
Houken [Lower to S-]
Kanki [Keep in S]
Kanmei [Keep in S]
Karin [Keep in S]
Moubu [Keep in S]
Ouki [Keep in S]
Ousen [Keep in S]
Reiou [Lower to S-]
Renpa [Keep in S]
Riboku [Keep in S]
Shouheikun [Keep in S]
Tou [Keep in S]
Yotanwa [Keep in S]

I was thinking of bumping guys like Earl Shi and Gekishin down a tier. I'm open to making new tiers but we gotta balance and outline the comp of the team randomizer

**gn_x00** · 02-11-2019, 06:08 AM

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I was thinking of bumping guys like Earl Shi and Gekishin down a tier. I'm open to making new tiers but we gotta balance and outline the comp of the team randomizer

well, if we compare the likes of Earl Shi and Gekishin to Rinko/Kaishibou though. feels like they are not at the same level at all.

Gyou'un/Genpou and Ordo (for his mountain specialization) might be worthy to be promoted to S- if we decide to make one.

Well, the way i see it, if all inside the tier itself is comparable in value, the end result will be balanced as long as they're taken from the same tiers composition.

**Void** · 02-11-2019, 06:52 AM

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well, if we compare the likes of Earl Shi and Gekishin to Rinko/Kaishibou though. feels like they are not at the same level at all.

Gyou'un/Genpou and Ordo (for his mountain specialization) might be worthy to be promoted to S- if we decide to make one.

Well, the way i see it, if all inside the tier itself is comparable in value, the end result will be balanced as long as they're taken from the same tiers composition.

but I do feel like they're comparable to Akou/Gyouun/Genbou.

I'd say we take care of who deserves to be in tier S first, then decide if we need to make a tier S- when we tackle the old tier A and previous tier S leftovers

**Zentos** · 02-11-2019, 10:48 AM

Our perceptions of these generals are so different I think we won't be getting another tier list at all, just like last time.

**bootleg boy** · 02-11-2019, 11:15 AM

probably would've been easier to just edit the last one a little tbh

**Zentos** · 02-11-2019, 11:19 AM

Here's my proposal. Threw some of them out, redid the rest. I think we need to put an accent on the high and top tier only, while the rest honestly should be left to RNG mostly. Tier A is there for the same reason Gn mentioned, they aren't quite up there, but they're also clearly better than those below. Anyway, this isn't final, but I thought I'd just give us a starting point and go from there.

Tier S

Tier A

Tier B

Tier C

**bootleg boy** · 02-11-2019, 11:26 AM

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Here's my proposal. Threw some of them out, redid the rest. I think we need to put an accent on the high and top tier only, while the rest honestly should be left to RNG mostly. Tier A is there for the same reason Gn mentioned, they aren't quite up there, but they're also clearly better than those below. Anyway, this isn't final, but I thought I'd just give us a starting point and go from there.

Tier S

Tier A

Tier B

Tier C

**Zentos** · 02-11-2019, 11:35 AM

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You're right, SSJ and Gyou'un should be in a separate, God tier.

**Juan** · 02-11-2019, 12:53 PM

i think zentos has the right idea, at least for the start, but the tiers shouldn't be so numerically imbalanced, i believe.

it'd be better to make an s- or a+ tier for the gekinshin level guys while making the actual a tier for people of gyou'un/akou/hk level.

**bootleg boy** · 02-11-2019, 01:00 PM

really couldn't just let this absolute monstrosity of a list slide in good conscience, so here's a much more accurate and layered one edited from crispy's format

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so now we don't have characters that can stomp each other in the same tier

and we don't have characters a whole tier below others they're explicitly no worse than

if nothing else this should serve as a much better baseline to establish a consensus

**Zentos** · 02-11-2019, 01:20 PM

Your delusions don't reach out to other KP regulars though, no idea why you'd use them as a baseline. The list isn't made for a single person, it's made to reflect the general state of KP and how they view the characters, not how you or me view them. Placing Genpou in the same tier as Raido is exactly the kind of stomp you were referring to, so I'm not sure if this was supposed to be taken as some kind of joke.

Won't even say anything about En and Zenou, I'll just laugh at it together with the rest of the list.

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i think zentos has the right idea, at least for the start, but the tiers shouldn't be so numerically imbalanced, i believe.

it'd be better to make an s- or a+ tier for the gekinshin level guys while making the actual a tier for people of gyou'un/akou/hk level.

Yeah A tier is kinda weird, but C could be that big since they're all mostly kinda okay vassals, but not much more.

**Juan** · 02-11-2019, 01:21 PM

your work is more balanced numerically, but the tier a bracket needs to be fixed.

as i said, we need an s- tier.

[Motion to add a S- bracket]

**Zentos** · 02-11-2019, 01:22 PM

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your work is more balanced numerically, but the tier a bracket needs to be fixed.

as i said, we need an s- tier.

[Motion to add a S- bracket]

Just add it, or even better, make the whole list. You're the #1 in KP technically, and we won't get anywhere dragging our balls. We could vote yes/no for your list and edit that if there are some changes needed, but the rest shoudln't be this slow.

**Juan** · 02-11-2019, 01:25 PM

that said, keep the personal attacks out of the thread. refute the arguments, not the people.

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Just add it, or even better, make the whole list. You're the #1 in KP technically, and we won't get anywhere dragging our balls. We could vote yes/no for your list and edit that if there are some changes needed, but the rest shoudln't be this slow.

yeah, I'll work on that. I'm not good on literally all the names, but I'm good on the baseline level so you all can have an idea for the characters i don't mention.

give me a few minutes.

**gn_x00** · 02-11-2019, 01:58 PM

Everyone start making their Canon tier list is exactly what we need to make sure this will never end

Just get a base list and work from there, be it crispy or Zentos or whoever instead of each making their personal shitlist

**Juan** · 02-11-2019, 02:04 PM

Tier S

Tier S-

Tier A

Tier B

Tier C

I gotta run, but this is the baseline.

reiou is at s unlike the other fds because aside from better hype, sheer intellect can make you gg level, while e.shi and gaimou are more on the brute side.

add a lower tier for guys on domon and eibi level.

didn't add choutou and mougou cause i couldn't figure out a placement. argue it amongst yourselves, I'll be back in around an hour.

**bootleg boy** · 02-11-2019, 02:11 PM

why're we putting gyou'un behind the s- people

he's been put pretty explicitly above the likes of e.shi, and gai mou. has better feats. also, any thread where he's pit against these characters implies the general belief is that there's a level of parity between him, and those characters; like kei sha, for instance.

same with the new gen.

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