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    Mercuphobia lifts a Sea

    Here's the feat itself

    https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/re...n/0/18/page/15
    https://readms.net/r/fairy_tail_100_...st/018/5667/15

    Looking at the feat itself there are two possible time frames I've found so far:

    First one involves this fish and the fact he's still flopping around




    The other is the fact the smoke seems to have dispersed, going off of the time it would take for the smoke to rise out of frame




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    How long can the average basic fish continue flopping out of water? A couple minutes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rave View Post
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    How long can the average basic fish continue flopping out of water? A couple minutes?
    30s before possessing a threat to their lives.

    Also ties to the clearly short time frame

    https://tetonvalleylodge.com/hold-trout-out-of-water/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax View Post
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    30s before possessing a threat to their lives.
    wasn't aware fish had this ability
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootleg boy View Post
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    wasn't aware fish had this ability
    I posted a link.

    Says the average fish is fine for up to 30s out of the water before it becomes a threat to their lives.

    It's not like it's unbelievable either. The feat clearly happened very quickly



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    Take 60s and call it a day unless you want it to be a KE calc

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    Quote Originally Posted by R View Post
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    Take 60s and call it a day unless you want it to be a KE calc
    We're going for a KE calc.

    That's why a time frame is being looked for.



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    We're going for a KE calc.

    That's why a time frame is being looked for.
    You're going for a KE calc, everyone else seems with PE lol.

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    Take 60s and call it a day unless you want it to be a KE calc
    It literally does not need a time frame. Gravitational Potential Energy is good like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numinous One View Post
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    You're going for a KE calc, everyone else seems with PE lol.

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    It literally does not need a time frame. Gravitational Potential Energy is good like that.
    Why skip KE and go for massively low balled numbers?

    PE is jut the "Let's do the least amount of effort cause fuck it" version. Mael parts some clouds and you mother fuckers are scrambling to find a time frame

    Do you think there's a possibility with the smoke dispersion?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax View Post
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    Why skip KE and go for massively low balled numbers?

    PE is jut the "Let's do the least amount of effort cause fuck it" version. Mael parts some clouds and you mother fuckers are scrambling to find a time frame

    Do you think there's a possibility with the smoke dispersion?
    You know very well which guys were trying to find a time frame for the Mael feat. And a pretty shitty one at that





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    Why skip KE and go for massively low balled numbers?

    PE is jut the "Let's do the least amount of effort cause fuck it" version. Mael parts some clouds and you mother fuckers are scrambling to find a time frame

    Do you think there's a possibility with the smoke dispersion?
    PE is the let's use the method with zero variables or assumptions.

    Not really. What's the temperature? Wind speed? Did Merc affect the moisture in the smoke resulting in quicker dissipation. Had it already dissipated before he dove down?
    There's just too many assumptions required to find a timeframe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellinger View Post
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    You know very well which guys were trying to find a time frame for the Mael feat. And a pretty shitty one at that
    It's not like it's some micro time frame.


    The feat happens very quickly.

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    PE is the let's use the method with zero variables or assumptions.

    Not really. What's the temperature? Wind speed? Did Merc affect the moisture in the smoke resulting in quicker dissipation. Had it already dissipated before he dove down?
    There's just too many assumptions required to find a timeframe.
    But this isn't an assumption. The fish gives a low end minimum for a clearly low end time frame.

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    If this was a SDS or OP feat you guys would be all over it trying to find time frames.


    The fish woulda been instantly approved.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax View Post
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    It's not like it's some micro time frame.


    The feat happens very quickly.

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    But this isn't an assumption. The fish gives a low end minimum for a clearly low end time frame.

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    If this was a SDS or OP feat you guys would be all over it trying to find time frames.


    The fish woulda been instantly approved.
    No it doesn't, you're just trying to push for that number as an average despite literally everything else saying otherwise.
    It obviously happened very quickly, but if you have to assume the time frame then you can't use KE. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numinous One View Post
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    No it doesn't, you're just trying to push for that number as an average despite literally everything else saying otherwise.
    It obviously happened very quickly, but if you have to assume the time frame then you can't use KE. Period.

    Except the fish DOES give a time frame.

    Up to 30 seconds, which ties towards the feat itself which clearly happened in a fast point. Finding a time frame and using its extent isn't even an assumption.

    It's not an assumption, it's a given time frame from the panels.

    https://tetonvalleylodge.com/hold-trout-out-of-water/

    We could even do the time it would take for the fish to hit the ground



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    Except the fish DOES give a time frame.

    Up to 30 seconds, which ties towards the feat itself which clearly happened in a fast point. Finding a time frame and using its extent isn't even an assumption.

    It's not an assumption, it's a given time frame from the panels.

    https://tetonvalleylodge.com/hold-trout-out-of-water/

    We could even do the time it would take for the fish to hit the ground
    It is an assumption because you can't prove it happened in exactly that amount of time. That's what an assumption is.

    Again. Did it happen in 3seconds? 5 seconds? 10 seconds? 30 seconds?

    If you can't answer it exactly then you are by definition assuming the timeframe.

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    There's a bajillion assumptions being made without timeframes in the mix already
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numinous One View Post
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    It is an assumption because you can't prove it happened in exactly that amount of time. That's what an assumption is.

    Again. Did it happen in 3seconds? 5 seconds? 10 seconds? 30 seconds?

    If you can't answer it exactly then you are by definition assuming the timeframe.
    Since when was using a minimum given the panels against the rules? Cause it isn't.



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    My take is that is you are going to use KE, use 60 seconds since it’s the baseline. Otherwise you need to use PE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax View Post
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    Since when was using a minimum given the panels against the rules? Cause it isn't.
    Assumed timeframes for KE has literally never flown lol

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    There's a bajillion assumptions being made without timeframes in the mix already
    He's just got the thirst and can't wait however many months for the Earth God Dragon to appear, or whatever it is that splits the Earth open like Elfserria mentioned. That'd probably be the one with the biggest potential.

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