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    Quote Originally Posted by Listen, buddy View Post
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    It isn't about racial issues. It about money. Asian American is too few, 5.6% of the population of the USA and extremely diverse to able to cater to any one in particular. A South Asian, would be different than an East Asian, so on and so forth. If anything, I would think it is economically sound not to cater to Asian American in term of box office.

    But China hit and break movie. Ready Player One sort of failed in the USA box office, it makes 137 millions in the USA but 218 millions in China. The Chinese market had routinely save many films. IF Ready Player One didn't pull its political string to be release in China (which is sort of difficult since only 34 foreign films are allow in China per year- all over the globe), it would have been a box office failure. That is why movies like Crazy Rich Asians, in which I don't how much money they pay for the Chinese government for it to be release there. Making 1 million dollars. That is a major blow, they actually lose quite a bit of money.

    Casting Donnie Yen to appeal to the chinese audience is correct. Casting a no name, much less a Vietnamese actress, to appeal to the Chinese audience is a stupid economical move.
    You misunderstood me. Obviously Hollywood wants to appeal to people in China. I'm saying that Kelly Tran does not make people in China want to see Star Wars, and that everyone in Hollywood realizes that she doesn't.

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    You misunderstood me. Obviously Hollywood wants to appeal to people in China. I'm saying that Kelly Tran does not make people in China want to see Star Wars, and that everyone in Hollywood realizes that she doesn't.
    I mentioned Kelly Tran is in my first post. Can't blamed Tran 100%. Whether she is in a movie or not is neutral. Starwars never have a foothold in China. It was not big to begin with. Therefore it need to be an outstanding movie. The last Jedi wasn't. Don't really know who that movie is made for really. Too inconsistent for hardcore fan. Not a movie for general audience either. It just doesn't stand out.

    They gave a Force Awaken a try and since then star wars just make less and less money with every subsequent movies in China.
    Even the hardcore fans that criticize the movie had been saying the actress was doing an okay job and that the script was the problem. It doesn't really matter who they cast or that they make the script super good at this point. I don't think the chinese people will see it. They didn't see the movies before that, they probably can't follow the next episode and won't pay money for that anyhow.

    Putting people like Luke Skywalker in would appeal to hardcore fans. But most audiences in China, don't even know nor care.

    Just realize Ant man and the wasp did pretty good in China despite being release way later than when it release in the USA. I did think the Chinese would have bootleg it by then. Kinda wonder if Deadpool was release in China, how it would do. Deadpool was so successful even without the chinese market.

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    Good. You have two voices speaking here, should TV be art strictly isolated from moral judgement or should it be audited for its cultural impact from any specific moral voice, the answer in my eyes is that some TV should be i.e. the PC brigade should not be sounding its sirens at movies depicting rape or proliferating right wing values and at the same time the whiney traditionalists who moan at black people as protagonists are also the big dumb. Its a huge medium with space for all of you and should be freed up as much as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip View Post
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    it's a bit silly to assume representation doesn't matter in films, there's very clearly a high demand for it.

    look at the movie black panther, it wouldn't have been as nearly well conceived if everyone involved was cast as white instead.

    and as for the chinese box office, it's a insanely huge industry. Even disney makes sure all of their theatrical releases are capable of releasing in china too. (part of the reason there's never been a gay main disney character, well aside from disney being extremely conseravative)
    That's exactly what he's saying though. There's a request for representation in the US, not really elsewhere. Black Panther is below all avengers movies here and would probably also be below iron man 3 and civil war if accounting for inflation, and France is one of the main consumers of superhero movies and also has issues with segregation of sort (though it is nearly exclusively driven by socioeconomic factors and not active inter-racial aggressivity).
    I think it's actually more nuanced than what buddy says though, fairly sure that there are other countries who long for representation due to how they were treated by western countries before for example

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    fairly sure that there are other countries who long for representation due to how they were treated by western countries before for example
    From Hollywood? Do you think Vietnamese in Vietnam would ever watch a Vietnam war movie from Hollywood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Listen, buddy View Post
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    From Hollywood? Do you think Vietnamese in Vietnam would ever watch a Vietnam war movie from Hollywood?
    i'm fairly certain they know what happened. they wouldn't watch a movie that would paint americans in the spotlight for the many crimes against them in that war.

    so... no. i really doubt they'd watch it.

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