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    Thought on Representations in films and tv shows??

    Here is my post on a recent article about Crazy Rich Asians,
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    "With the Last Jedi failed in China spectacularly. And now this, it seemed like Hollywood don't understand the mindset of Asians in Asia. If they think the Asians in Asia have the same mindsets as a super vocal asian american actor minority group. Then they gonna have much to learn about making money in China and elsewhere. In Asia, they don't need representations. They turned on their tv, and they see representation. They have scify, historical drama, fantasy, thriller-mystery tvs and movies with almost all or entirely Asian casts. And in third world countries, they consume media from latin america, south asia, middle east, eastern europe, to western europea, and north America. They see all sort of stories from all sort of people everywhere. Diversity?? Open your eyes. Can't you not get anymore authentic that say a Russian tv shows with Russians writers and actors about Russia?? Those stories and characters are not bland cardboard cutouts. Featuring Korea in Age of Ultron is not why it is successfully in Asia. It is successful because the movie was very American. Superheroes were very American, something they can't find in Chinese media. Featuring a no name vietnamese actress (doesn't matter whether she is good or not) to sell it in china like the Last Jedi. Well, guess what, Asians are not a monolith. The chinese don't go awwwww, we got represented, by having an actress with the ethnicity of a country where they currently having a border conflict with. And Asian American actors and actresses. Most are not even that big in Asia. Unless you got a Jet Li, or a Jackie Chan, or a Donnie Yen (Rouge One), you can't really sell a ticket. Disney make a smart move with Liu Yifei (Mulan), but then again, China have plenty of their own television and drama about the story Mulan. That by itself is not a guarantee of selling tickets. So don't mix up priority. If it is about money, then you have to think things differently. If it is about finding characters that you can relate to (as shallow as skins deep), then really you have multiple cinemas out there to look, so don't be lazy. But if it is about finding job for Asian American actors and actresses. I wished them the best. But what is self interest to them is not self interest to most Asian american in general of different field. And really, they should have look at job outlook before entering that field."

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    Im trying to figure why this articles author thinks that the Last Jedi was made with the sole intent to plesse chineses

    Oh apparently Mulan was too

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    Im trying to figure why this articles author thinks that the Last Jedi was made with the sole intent to plesse chineses

    Oh apparently Mulan was too
    I wrote that. And no, The Last Jedi didn't wrote with the SOLE intention to please the chinese. But it is becoming a very common practice to add things in to please the SECOND biggest box office in the world. Many films like Ready Player One was save due to the chinese box office. Why would they adding Donnie Yen in Rouge One for example. China don't allow that many western films into their theathers to protect their own movie industry. Missing out the Chinese box office could cost 100+ million dollars.

    Mulan was also not SOLEly to please the chinese audience. But already some of thing they do is gearing to be chinese audience friendly (in their mind) like changing around the storyline.

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    Who cares? These films will still rake in the cash no matter who the hire to act.


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    It's an interesting point that to international audiences diversity actually makes the experience less authentic.

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    Who cares? These films will still rake in the cash no matter who the hire to act.
    Why are all your opinions so cookie cutter, non-controversial? There’s no way these are your actual views. Who are you trying to please?
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    Why would it represention when all the actors are American?
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    It's an interesting point that to international audiences diversity actually makes the experience less authentic.
    It isn't authentic or not. It is rather than Hollywood approach to selling tickets to the world 2nd largest box office (China) is insert some random Asian. People mistake the loud minority as what other people want.

    Crazy Rich Asian for example. There are so so so so so so so so many romantic comedy already in Asia that are better and make with lower budget. In such a saturated market, they don't really need to see the Hollywood version really.

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    Who cares? These films will still rake in the cash no matter who the hire to act.
    Well, the stock owners and producers care.

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    Why would it represention when all the actors are American?
    I don't really understand your question. But this whole news about Shang Chi in the mcu is another example of tapping into the Asian market. lol, I read one article and they hired some 2nd or 3rd or 4th generation whitest Asian American with the whitest last name to write the script to avoid stereotypes. Hopefully they also allocate some of that effort in making a good movie.

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    it's a bit silly to assume representation doesn't matter in films, there's very clearly a high demand for it.

    look at the movie black panther, it wouldn't have been as nearly well conceived if everyone involved was cast as white instead.

    and as for the chinese box office, it's a insanely huge industry. Even disney makes sure all of their theatrical releases are capable of releasing in china too. (part of the reason there's never been a gay main disney character, well aside from disney being extremely conseravative)
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    ...what in strawmation is the OP trying to get at?

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    ...what in strawmation is the OP trying to get at?
    It is an explanation why some films that on purpose trying to gear to sell tickets in China failed miserably. And before someone blab about is this intentionally solely blah blah blah for the chinese audience. Well, do you know the concept of like Oscar bait? Yeah, a movie can have multiple intentions in mind. You can look at a movie and the decisions and controversy surround a movie to know what they are trying to do with it.

    All I am saying is that they need to be smarter. Mainland China is not the same as Japanese or Korean and are not the same as Asian Americans which also not the same as Asian American actors and or Asian social science degree holders subset.

    Take for instance, when the whole cancel Colbert happen. headlines every where said Asian Americans are upset on twitter. I went to twitter and look. Suey Park, some second generation Korean college chick who don't have a job outside of Hashactavist and living with her mom, and a bunch of white folks commenting on that matter. Other than that, I don't see these mob of Asian Americans are being at Steven Colbert.

    Black Panther received some complain due to the way it was shot (which a lot of scenes happen at night). But it is a new and an original thing that stand out among the Hong Kong, chinese, bollywood cinema. And hence it has a decent successful run in China. But people were shocked, completely shocked that a romentic comedy that featured an entire cast of Asians like Crazy Rich Asians didn't stand out among the numerous romantic comedy that already saturated the HongKong, Taiwan, Chinese market.

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    it's a bit silly to assume representation doesn't matter in films, there's very clearly a high demand for it.

    look at the movie black panther, it wouldn't have been as nearly well conceived if everyone involved was cast as white instead.
    Well, look at my post. There is a different between Rouge One vs the Last Jedi. A different between Black Panther vs Crazy Rich Asian.

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    it's a bit silly to assume representation doesn't matter in films, there's very clearly a high demand for it.
    who said it doesn't matter. It is the close minded of Americans who whine about representation like a bunch of 2018 teenagers said there is no good music in the current decades. There are, you are just too lazy to look for them. Which huge cinema like Bollywood, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Mainland China, Latin America, Europe, Middle East. The only one that sort of underdeveloped is the African movie industry. I am a globalist. I watch Asian cinema, European cinema, Bollywood. Had watch Russian stuffs when I was younger. I don't wait until Hollywood make a movie. I go out there and find what already out there.

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    You think communists give a shit about Rich Asians?

    OP review is pretty tone deaf. The market wasn't there because it wasn't their market. Just because they're (((Asian))) doesn't mean it's for China.
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    You think communists give a shit about Rich Asians?
    The chinese are one of the most consumerism culture you ever see. They are more capitalist than even America. Have you not see the pollution they produced?

    OP review is pretty tone deaf. The market wasn't there because it wasn't their market. Just because they're (((Asian))) doesn't mean it's for China.
    There are a limit amount of Hollywood movies allow in China. And in able to be release in China, do you not know how many strings the producer have to pull for that to happen???? Do you think after all those bribery, you think that they want their movies to be pull within a week due to lack of sale??

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    As far as general representations in shows, I could write a giant fucking scholarly paper on it. I just wrote one on class representation on The Count of Monte Cristo.

    Here's a long except on it (It's pretty tl;dr):

    Class Representation Within The Film

    The film starts with Napoleon Bonaparte having a central theme in the film. It takes place right at the beginning of the Bourbon Restoration. This was during the second defeat of Napoleon, and he was exiled. While the disfavored King Louis XVIII was put back onto the throne. Because of this swift restoration, he overtook the colonies quickly and fell under the Treaty of November, 20, 1815 (Priestley, 1966, pg.1). These changes started the warfare between the loyalists and the Bonaparists. This is evident as one of the core struggles in the film is between Monsieur Clarion and his son, Gérard Villefort. Villefort is an ambitious magistrate in the beginning, but after Dantes’ imprisonment, he becomes Chief Prosecutor in Paris. His father, however is a loyal Bonapartist. He constantly refers to Napoleon Bonaparte as “emperor” and would always claim that his arrival would be soon. Within the film, the viewer can decipher that Villefort carries himself with class and is dignified, as someone who has taken over the country and attempting to make it prosper would. However, looking at Monsieur Clarion, who has had to deal with the second defeat that Napoleon has encountered, he seems to be aloof, drunk, and not taken seriously. (Reynolds, 2002)

    Roger Ebert’s review of the film starts with describing Edmond as, “a low-born adventurer betrayed by his friend Fernand Mondego” (Ebert, 2002, pg.1). Class differences are the main core struggle between both Edmond and Fernand. While Edmond does not see the class difference as a problem, as he is the poor underdog. Fernand constantly refers class reasons as to why he ends up betraying Edmond. The first sign of this is when Fernand and Mercédès are waiting for Edmond and Fernand begs Mercédès to make love to him, she in turn says:
    “Remember when we were kids and Edmond got that whistle for his birthday, and you got a pony? You were so mad Edmond was happier with his whistle than you were with your pony. I'm not going to be your next whistle.” (Reynolds, 2002)

    As the film progresses, Fernand tells him another reason for his betrayal which is class related. He has conflicting feelings about his betrayal at first, but after Edmond asks him why did he betray him, Fernand replies “Because you’re the son of a clerk! And I’m not supposed to want to be you” (Reynolds, 2002). While Fernand has a much higher class in society, he cannot help but be jealous of what Edmond possesses, because so little can make him so happy.

    During Edmond’s imprisonment, he meets with Abbé. While they both suffer the same, the class difference between the two of them is apparent. So much so, that without asking, Abbé knows to offer Edmond the gift of education for his help to dig towards the outer wall. This transition shows quite well in a “montage” where Edmond is studying and reciting quotes and mathematical equations to Abbé. Edmond, with his new found knowledge, comes to the understanding that Abbé was an agent of Napoleon and knows that he can fight. Edmond asks for training to fight. While that was not part of the original agreement about the digging, Abbé gives in, as if he is sacrificing his priesthood to train Edmond to seek revenge (Reynolds, 2002).

    The transition from Edmond to The Count

    While Edmond is training with Abbé, there is still a glimmer of who he was before imprisonment. He is still caring and trusting, so much so that Abbé asks Edmond the reasons behind his imprisonment. Edmond, now equipped to critically think, goes through the motions of what led him to the Chateau d’If. He finds that Villefort had burned the letter to help protect himself, which sends Edmond into a rage that no one had seen before. This was a pivotal moment in the film where Edmond had changed forever. After Edmond’s escape and his new friendship with Jacopo, he finally gets to the coast of Monte Cristo and finds the treasure. The conversation between Jacopo and Edmond foreshadows what is to happen in the film. Jacopo claims “You are richer than any man I have heard of” and even suggests that they hire hitman to seek his revenge swiftly. However, Edmond is seething with revenge, and not only uses the money to his advantage, he uses class status to gain trust and admiration of his enemies (Reynolds, 2002). While it is not deeply explored in the film, Edmond’s state of mind clearly shifts from warm, inviting and open, to cold, calculated and manipulative. This change mirrors what some could say is “unethical behavior” such as attempting to get away with higher crimes, and higher rates of theft.

    “We reason that increased resources and independence from others cause people to prioritize self-interest over others’ welfare and perceive greed as positive and beneficial, which in turn gives rise to increased unethical behavior. We predict that, given their abundant resources and increased independence, upper-class individuals should demonstrate greater unethical behavior and that one important reason for this tendency is that upper-class individuals hold more favorable attitudes toward greed (Piff, 2012, pg.2.)”

    This mirrors the attitude that Edmond has going into his cover as The Count of Monte Cristo. He now has the knowledge and the monetary means to seek his revenge, and because of the sting of betrayal, he believes that rising into a higher social class to gain access to his enemies will give him the satisfaction that he desires. He does things as The Count that he would have never done as a second mate. Such as set up traps for both Danglars and Villefort and charging his best friend, Fernand, head on. In the end, he comes to terms with his revenge and calls it justice instead. Bringing balance to both Edmond and The Count, who he presents himself as at the end of the film (Reynolds, 2002).

    Conclusion.

    While the film is presented with revenge as the main plot, one could argue that class warfare was the core issue behind “The Count of Monte Cristo”. If it had not been, there would have been a overabundance of ways this would have been dealt with. An example of this would be when Fernand fought the Viscount Tourville in a morning duel – due to the fact that Fernand had slept with his wife. They were both in the same social class and handed it as if they were equals. Versus the situation between Edmond and Fernand, where Fernand would not give Edmond the time of day for a proper duel due to his social class alone. These accounts show why this story is one that has been popular throughout the ages and will continue to be popular throughout time.
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    The chinese are one of the most consumerism culture you ever see. They are more capitalist than even America. Have you not see the pollution they produced?
    Pollution /=/ General interest in the rich. The audience is not interested in that. Just like some things are a hit in the UK and bomb in the US. Just cause a portion of us are white doesn't mean everything will translate 100% of the time.
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    I must say i am baffled by the fact that someone would date Tifa, or that someone like Tifa is able to put a dude in a friendzone. Like are you really so depleted on the good looking girls? In my country no one would ever even look at her twice. We have 2/1 (Girl/Boy) ratio, and most of the girls are decent looking or hot. We have obese girls but they mostly die alone because even the ugly looking dudes can find a good looking girl if they are just not poor as fuck..
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    2:1 ratio and you still can't get any ass? Damn.

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    Pollution /=/ General interest in the rich. The audience is not interested in that. Just like some things are a hit in the UK and bomb in the US. Just cause a portion of us are white doesn't mean everything will translate 100% of the time.
    Rofl, just a simple google search...
    https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...talist-2015-10
    How much chinese tv shows or movies have you seen?? Like the Mermaids? Or any of the ridiculous life style of all the emperors in chinese tv shows? Or these Rich guy poor girls type of genre.

    They care what brand you wear. They judge you on what brand you wear. They all pursuit success and rich. Why do you think so many chinese parents send their kids abroad to study. Why so many are "illegal immigrant" like overstaying their visa in America and buying into this American dream. Some even go to Africa to become farmers to strike rich elsewhere.

    I will read your paper at some point.

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    I just skimmed through your paper about class presentation. I don't really think there is a lack of class presentation really anywhere to be honest. But I am sure it is a good paper on class presentation Hope you got an A.

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    Rofl, just a simple google search...
    https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...talist-2015-10
    How much chinese tv shows or movies have you seen?? Like the Mermaids? Or any of the ridiculous life style of all the emperors in chinese tv shows? Or these Rich guy poor girls type of genre.

    They care what brand you wear. They judge you on what brand you wear. They all pursuit success and rich. Why do you think so many chinese parents send their kids abroad to study. Why so many are "illegal immigrant" like overstaying their visa in America and buying into this American dream. Some even go to Africa to become farmers to strike rich elsewhere.

    I will read your paper at some point.
    Have you actually watched Crazy Rich Asians? Like the part where they made it very apparent how a lot of Chinese have disdain for American Asians? You don't think that *MIGHT HAVE* something to do with it?

    And Emperors are part of their culture. The "Crazy Rich Asians" are part of a subculture. Such as while the main family in general is from Singapore, but they all have British Bording School educations. It's not the "Asian" part thats a turn off, its the "American" part.
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    I must say i am baffled by the fact that someone would date Tifa, or that someone like Tifa is able to put a dude in a friendzone. Like are you really so depleted on the good looking girls? In my country no one would ever even look at her twice. We have 2/1 (Girl/Boy) ratio, and most of the girls are decent looking or hot. We have obese girls but they mostly die alone because even the ugly looking dudes can find a good looking girl if they are just not poor as fuck..
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    2:1 ratio and you still can't get any ass? Damn.

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    Have you actually watched Crazy Rich Asians? Like the part where they made it very apparent how a lot of Chinese have disdain for American Asians? You don't think that *MIGHT HAVE* something to do with it?

    And Emperors are part of their culture. The "Crazy Rich Asians" are part of a subculture. Such as while the main family in general is from Singapore, but they all have British Bording School educations. It's not the "Asian" part thats a turn off, its the "American" part.
    hmm good point. I have seen the movie. It is alright, better than I thought. But nothing to write home about.
    It isn't exactly Asian. The writer in particular lived that life. It isn't something that Asian nor Asian Americans can really empathize. Even with the main female, since she is a second generation Asian American. So I supposed I guess some 2nd generation Asian Americans can empathize with her. But no one really have a super rich in law family that look down on their own parents.

    You know what would be more topical? The lack of women available for Chinese men to marry. Something like the Korean drama about vietnamese females who were kidnapped, lied to, or traffic into the country, serving both as a wife and a servant.

    That had been a controversial topic that arising as of late.

    But I don't think it isn't really that offensive. I think it just have too many competitions to stand out.

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    Edit already many tv and movies already deal with that issue. Not something on the radar of Hollywood nor is it something that interest American audience.

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    I don't really care about racial representation in movies. It does very little to help with actual, serious racial issues.

    I see no reason to think that Hollywood is casting Asian American actors in order to appeal to audiences in China. I highly doubt that Chinese people are dying to see Kelly Tran in Star Wars, and I highly doubt that people in Hollywood think that they are.
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    I don't really care about racial representation in movies. It does very little to help with actual, serious racial issues.

    I see no reason to think that Hollywood is casting Asian American actors in order to appeal to audiences in China. I highly doubt that Chinese people are dying to see Kelly Tran in Star Wars, and I highly doubt that people in Hollywood think that they are.
    the asian americans however would be dying to see kelly tran included, and even then that's not enough since even with her inclusion she's still the "token asian" character or outsider of the group.

    hollywood needs to come a long way for their inclusions to not be a token character, and i don't think we have seen that point yet.

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    I don't really care about racial representation in movies. It does very little to help with actual, serious racial issues.

    I see no reason to think that Hollywood is casting Asian American actors in order to appeal to audiences in China. I highly doubt that Chinese people are dying to see Kelly Tran in Star Wars, and I highly doubt that people in Hollywood think that they are.
    It isn't about racial issues. It about money. Asian American is too few, 5.6% of the population of the USA and extremely diverse to able to cater to any one in particular. A South Asian, would be different than an East Asian, so on and so forth. If anything, I would think it is economically sound not to cater to Asian American in term of box office.

    But China hit and break movie. Ready Player One sort of failed in the USA box office, it makes 137 millions in the USA but 218 millions in China. The Chinese market had routinely save many films. IF Ready Player One didn't pull its political string to be release in China (which is sort of difficult since only 34 foreign films are allow in China per year- all over the globe), it would have been a box office failure. That is why movies like Crazy Rich Asians, in which I don't how much money they pay for the Chinese government for it to be release there. Making 1 million dollars. That is a major blow, they actually lose quite a bit of money.

    Casting Donnie Yen to appeal to the chinese audience is correct. Casting a no name, much less a Vietnamese actress, to appeal to the Chinese audience is a stupid economical move.

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