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    Developments to beat Kaido

    What's going to need to happen for the Alliance to beat Kaido? What improvements does Luffy and company need to make?
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    Honestly don't know. Kaido still has his crew to back him up. Not to mention he just negged one of the strongest, if not the strongest member of the alliance and it looks like he can take them on all by himself.

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    luffy's strength has always made dramatic jumps when the plot demanded it

    when the final fight comes around luffy will just eat some meat, and suddenly be strong enough without explanation; much like in the cp9 arc
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootleg boy View Post
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    luffy's strength has always made dramatic jumps when the plot demanded it

    when the final fight comes around luffy will just eat some meat, and suddenly be strong enough without explanation; much like in the cp9 arc
    You mean in Water 7? He was taken by surprise then IIRC, and was more launched away than actually beaten.

    Here he was serious from the start, got to use all his strongest attacks and Kaido still knocked him out cold, as far as we can tell. Meat won't save him this time.

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    they need to speak up surats out loud. No way they’ll defeat Kaido without help from God.


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    Awakening across all the Supernova
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoflaMihawk View Post
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    You mean in Water 7? He was taken by surprise then IIRC, and was more launched away than actually beaten.

    Here he was serious from the start, got to use all his strongest attacks and Kaido still knocked him out cold, as far as we can tell. Meat won't save him this time.
    luffy was actually the one that had the initiative in that situation

    but, in practically no time luffy went from being unable to harm, or even perceive blueno's movements to reading him perfectly and... well, you know

    not to mention the gear techniques he mysteriously developed over night

    the difference in ability between luffy at water 7, and shortly after at ennies lobby is pretty staggering
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    Luffy started working on Gears after he got wrecked by Aokiji iirc

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    luffy was actually the one that had the initiative in that situation

    but, in practically no time luffy went from being unable to harm, or even perceive blueno's movements to reading him perfectly and... well, you know

    not to mention the gear techniques he mysteriously developed over night

    the difference in ability between luffy at water 7, and shortly after at ennies lobby is pretty staggering
    He did, but it was shown that his lack of awareness and confusion surrounding recent events had played a major effect on his combat ability by hurting his conviction. We even saw Franky and Sanji do better against Blueno before Enies Lobby and in no way were they > Luffy at the time. Not the best explanation, but at least it's something.

    And there's a difference between Lucci, who was hyped up for a few dozen chapters and Kaido who has been stated to be at the peak of the One Piece world in power and somebody who has been hyped up for hundreds of chapters.

    Also, what Rave said.
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    Zoro ashura mode

    or Nightmare G4 Luffy

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    I bet my account that Luffy will not have to train to beat Kaidou.

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    I'd say without their captains the Whitebeards would be slightly stronger than the Red-Hairs and with their captains they'd be significantly stronger.
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    It's pretty obvious no Emperor was a real threat to Whitebeard. He just had too much power and influence.
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    Raigou apparently can't even destroy an island, which Whitebeard can do easily.
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    Obviously it was because of Whitebeard, but the crew even without the captain is still highly exceptional. If you take away the captains, the Whitebeard's would beat any Emperor crew decisively.
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    Vista can fight Whitebeard,

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    Minty going in raw.

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    @Pimp of Pimps; @Great Potato;

    I bet my account that Luffy will not have to train to beat Kaidou.
    Of course he won’t. OP has never worked that way.
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    Luffy awakening his DF seems like the next logical step.

    Law is also definitely using his ultimate this arc.

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    Awakening should be a big thing. Think the small fry also needs to master his CoO to the same extent Katakuri did, increase his CoA to levels past Katakuri's, and somehow increase his G4 time limit while allowing fast switching between his forms. Curious what a regular Tankman would look like and if it could resist Kaido's DT

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    Oh and he also needs to remain calm. Or else some of those developments are for naught. Would like to see Moriah help against Kaido with them shadows or something and maybe Hawkins if he decides to switch over with a drawing out one's true potential card or something
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