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    Did Marineford Screw Up Consistent Power Levels

    With the story final progressing into seeing Yonko's and their crews fight, do you think some of the portrayals during Marineford hurt some of the consistency with perceived power levels in the story?


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    Everyone who fought on Marineford has been portrayed the same way when we saw them again. Admirals haven't been downplayed as a major power, we saw how Doffy wanted nothing to do with Aokiji or how Fujitora was just strolling around Dressrosa and still clearly shown to be the top dog around. Yonkous are still an overwhelming presence in the story. We saw how Kaido or Big Mom treated G4 Luffy. Nothing has really changed. Luffy has progressed obviously, but that's it.

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    I guess the main question ppl are pondering is; where would Katakuri be placed in comparison to whitebeards top 4

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    Everyone who fought on Marineford has been portrayed the same way when we saw them again. Admirals haven't been downplayed as a major power, we saw how Doffy wanted nothing to do with Aokiji or how Fujitora was just strolling around Dressrosa and still clearly shown to be the top dog around. Yonkous are still an overwhelming presence in the story. We saw how Kaido or Big Mom treated G4 Luffy. Nothing has really changed. Luffy has progressed obviously, but that's it.
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    I guess the main question ppl are pondering is; where would Katakuri be placed in comparison to whitebeards top 4
    Depends how Marco performs in Wano to say for sure. WB's trio has been more impressive than Big Mom's until now though

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    Kinda. Shit like Jozu not murdering Crocodile in one hit throws every other feat into doubt. How many other characters were 'going easy' and at what points did this occur?

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    People are just underestimating the shit ouf of Crocodile and how big of a hit losing his 'ambition', aka his dream, was to his alabasta self.

    It's basically One Pieces equivalent of friendship power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebeard View Post
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    Depends how Marco performs in Wano to say for sure. WB's trio has been more impressive than Big Mom's until now though
    Yeah they are more impressive than the guy who was clearly superior to boundman, the same boundman that broke free of Doflamingo's parasite which treated Jozu like shit.






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    Quote Originally Posted by X View Post
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    With the story final progressing into seeing Yonko's and their crews fight, do you think some of the portrayals during Marineford hurt some of the consistency with perceived power levels in the story?
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    Implying One Piece ever had consistent power levels, the only reason they seemed consistent until that point in the story is cause most of the fights were between straw hats and the main villain cast of that arc and thats that, we never had until marineford that is fights that put in perspective the different power levels between top tiers or fighters even below that, basically the only perspective we ever had was between Luffy and the main villain of the arc and that was pretty consistent I guess to a certain degree, but even then Water 7 and Enies Lobby still to this day barely make any sense for me, Blueno went from the guy who was able to casually tank every straw hat and their mum to being tagged and beaten up by the same gearless Luffy, even worse Sanji went from not being able to hurt Blueno with casual kicks and not being able to break Blueno's tekkai even after that charged up spinny attack to hours later being able to casually break Jyaburas zoan hybrid form tekkai who's supposed to be the most proficient at it, not only that but the douriki of Jyabura was far bigger than Bluenos even in non df form, and the Sanji case is worse cause he pretty much beats Jyabura pretty comfortably even without Diable Jambe.

    The first time we ever saw different fighters from different gorups of power levels engage with each other that didnt necessarily include Luffy on each and everyone of them was Marineford and the whole arc was a big ass clusterfuck that followed no pattern whatsoever, Oda is definitely not the best writer when it comes to writing actual consistent power levels, so no marineford isnt the exception in fact most of the second part of the manga is the same, Luffy was dying of blood lose due to a bite from fucking Hody cuz his haki was supposedly not good enough but fast forward a couple of arcs latter and he was getting beating for six hours on end and even got a chunk of his abdomen taken off but yeah a few bandages and were good to go not to mention all the horse shit with Big Mom being made a fucking fool by straw hats weak trio minus Usopp plus Brook, creating tension > consistent writing (power level wise that is).
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    If you ignore obvious plot shield then its just fine. Problem is people take things to seriously.



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    I wasn't just Marineford. It was everything after EL and I think Oda himself realized this. Let's look at 2 characters. Buggy and Crocodile. Buggy was set up to be Luffy's main pirate antagonist and he was set up to become a Shichibukai since Jaya. Luffy, Ace, Buggy, and Teach all had parallel journeys. While Buggy was chasing Luffy, Ace was chasing Teach. When Luffy met Teach at Jaya, Buggy was right behind them with Ace. During that time both Teach and Buggy were looking to gain reputation and become famous:





    Buggy lost Luffy's trail around the Florian Triangle, but after EL it didn't even matter. Luffy's bounty was 300 mil and Buggy's was 15 mil, so it didn't make sense for Buggy to be able to match Luffy anymore. Notice in the scan I posted about Teach that 100 mil was a big deal for a bounty. Luffy had to directly declare war on the WG to get a 300 mil bounty. Then Eustass Kidd comes along and makes 300 mil look like a joke. But, it's not because of how Kidd got his bounty that makes it a joke. It's because of Crocodile.

    Oda himself said that if Croc was not a 7BK, his bounty would be 162 mil. When Luffy was captured, he was placed in Level 5 of Impel Down while Croc was placed in Level 6. Luffy, and even Ivankov, declared war on the WG and weren't deemed worthy enough to be deleted from history, but Crocodile was.

    Buggy became a gag character in Impel Down, but Crocodile was too serious of a character to make a joke out of. Galdino went from being one of the top bounty hunters in the world to being Buggy's underling. It's clear that Oda intended for Crocodile to be a high level threat, but the fact that gearless Luffy beat Crocodile destroys that. Buggy was also intended to be a high level character and he still became a Shichibukai, but it's a joke and the whole Shichibukai position is a joke now.

    Marines=7BK=Yonkou? How? The whole dynamic of the OP world was dismantled before Marineford happened. And it's because Luffy developed abilities that made him far stronger than he was when he fought Buggy and Croc. Luffy legit needed PIS and CIS to beat Foxy and then 2 arcs later he's blitzing Blueno. That first jet pistol screwed up the power levels beyond repair.

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    I'd say without their captains the Whitebeards would be slightly stronger than the Red-Hairs and with their captains they'd be significantly stronger.
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    It's pretty obvious no Emperor was a real threat to Whitebeard. He just had too much power and influence.
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    Raigou apparently can't even destroy an island, which Whitebeard can do easily.
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    Obviously it was because of Whitebeard, but the crew even without the captain is still highly exceptional. If you take away the captains, the Whitebeard's would beat any Emperor crew decisively.
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    Vista can fight Whitebeard,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minty View Post
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    That first jet pistol screwed up the power levels beyond repair.
    Yes, this may be true but...

    it was so fucking worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellinger View Post
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    Yeah they are more impressive than the guy who was clearly superior to boundman, the same boundman that broke free of Doflamingo's parasite which treated Jozu like shit.

    Tbh Jozu just looked annoyed at being stopped. Who knows what would've happened had the battle continued. Seemed like he did better than Do did against Aokiji that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellinger View Post
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    Yeah they are more impressive than the guy who was clearly superior to boundman, the same boundman that broke free of Doflamingo's parasite which treated Jozu like shit.

    Chill bro he wasn't even being negative about it no need to be rude. He's allowed his own opinion without need for discrimination.


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