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    Western Zhao fortifications

    You think that if Qin wins (most likely by now), theres gonna be an arc (or mini-arc) to conquer those lands?

    Surely the Zhao wont just simply abandon them and its mandatory for Qin to do it, but you think we will see it on panel?

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    i doubt it

    this war would give them a more advantageous staging point for future invasions
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    i doubt it

    this war would give them a more advantageous staging point for future invasions
    Ok but do you think he will just offpanel it? And mention when Qin moves further into Zhao?

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    Ok but do you think he will just offpanel it? And mention when Qin moves further into Zhao?
    i'm saying it won't be necessary to invade from western zhao in the first place. winning this war will have won them land right at the throat of zhao's capital. they can conquer the state without slowly chipping away at it piece by piece from their western border. the whole point of this campaign was actually to avoid having to do that.

    don't see any of qin's invasions being off-paneled, and at the same time don't expect any invasions from western zhao because it's no longer needed.
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    I think taking Ryouyou was important in taking those fortifications without that much problems in the future. At best a key stronghold will be taken on panel.

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    i'm saying it won't be necessary to invade from western zhao in the first place. winning this war will have won them land right at the throat of zhao's capital. they can conquer the state without slowly chipping away at it piece by piece from their western border. the whole point of this campaign was actually to avoid having to do that.

    don't see any of qin's invasions being off-paneled, and at the same time don't expect any invasions from western zhao because it's no longer needed.
    Taking Gyou is to conquer Zhao faster, it doesnt mean they dont have to take the rest of the land lol and ofc zhao is not simply gonna leave those cities and forts built there.

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    I think taking Ryouyou was important in taking those fortifications without that much problems in the future. At best a key stronghold will be taken on panel.
    You think HSU gonna do it?

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    Taking Gyou is to conquer Zhao faster, it doesnt mean they dont have to take the rest of the land lol and ofc zhao is not simply gonna leave those cities and forts built there.
    if they capture zhao's capital that means they've conquered zhao in totality. that's why attacking gyou would lead to them conquering zhao faster. zhao can't just vacate to their western cities and continue to put up a fight when they no longer have claim to those lands after the loss of their royal capital leads to their capitulation.
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    if they capture zhao's capital that means they've conquered zhao in totality. that's why attacking gyou would lead to them conquering zhao faster. zhao can't just vacate to their western cities and continue to put up a fight when they no longer have claim to those lands after the loss of their royal capital leads to their capitulation.
    lol ofc they can. As long as they have one army that identify as a Zhao army they can keep fighting, they will be weakened and not organized but still they are Zhao.

    In the first coalition Qi lost its royal capital and still hold as Qi state, the royal family simply fled to a new city.
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    lol ofc they can. As long as they have one army that identify as a Zhao army they can keep fighting, they will be weakened and not organized but still they are Zhao.

    In the first coalition Qi lost its royal capital and still hold as Qi state, the royal family simply fled to a new city.
    how is one army going to occupy and defend their entire western territories lol. whatever pitiable force they're reduced to in their disorganization wouldn't be able to defend their lands. that's why the series so consistently ties the loss of a royal capital to the destruction of the entire state. even if there were remnants that still pledged this undying fealty to their former state they wouldn't be able to pose a credible threat. quelling something like that could hardly be considered "conquering".

    qi was reduced to a mere two cities. they were practically destroyed. their miraculous rebound is an outlier not a standard.
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    meh, they're better off going for the killshot and getting those scrubs to surrender rather than taking them while trying to tackle Kantan

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    how is one army going to occupy and defend their entire western territories lol. whatever pitiable force they're reduced to in their disorganization wouldn't be able to defend their lands. that's why the series so consistently ties the loss of a royal capital to the destruction of the entire state. even if there were remnants that still pledged this undying fealty to their former state they wouldn't be able to pose a credible threat. quelling something like that could hardly be considered "conquering".

    qi was reduced to a mere two cities. they were practically destroyed. their miraculous rebound is an outlier not a standard.
    lol when exactly was stated that losing the capital = losing the state? Even during Sai SBK said to Sei run cause if he was alive they still had hope.

    It was indeed said that if you take out the royal family then its over, the capital no.

    Even during Ai arc the target was Sei and his family not Kanyou itself.

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    When you invade Kantan coming from Qin there is stil a whole lot of Zhao land they can retreat to and defend. Unless Hara really feels like rushing it he can go that route but its not realistic at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascot View Post
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    lol when exactly was stated that losing the capital = losing the state? Even during Sai SBK said to Sei run cause if he was alive they still had hope.

    It was indeed said that if you take out the royal family then its over, the capital no.

    Even during Ai arc the target was Sei and his family not Kanyou itself.

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    When you invade Kantan coming from Qin there is stil a whole lot of Zhao land they can retreat to and defend. Unless Hara really feels like rushing it he can go that route but its not realistic at all
    let's not neglect the fact that the whole reason why sei went out to sai in the first place was because of kanyou's significance.

    not to mention what sbk actually said was that if sei were to live then there'd still be a "ray" of hope for "revival". meaning they'd have a small chance of bringing qin back after it's destroyed, not in preventing it's destruction.

    but anyways,



    even the entire coalition arc was based around this fact. which is why their getting past kankoku pass would've meant qin's destruction despite their armies still being intact.



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    Yeah but the thing is that when you get to kankoku pass you already went trough the entire Qin state, unlike Kantan thats in the middle of Zhao, they still have lands to the south and east.

    ofc taking kantan leaves the state desestabilized and in a critical condition, it does not mean the you automatically gets all of Zhao state.

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    as you can see kanyou and kankoku pass are in the middle of qin.
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    Pretty sure taking Kantan would have the same effect as having the coalition army take Kanyou back then. Qin also had forces at their borders. The problem is that if Kankoku Pass has fallen these troups would have no leaders left to guide them or pose an actual threat to the invading forces. The same applies here. Zhaos main players are trying to defend the capital. If they fall they have no one left to lead the remaining forces + Qin would be able to attack them from 2 sides.


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    You think that if Qin wins (most likely by now), theres gonna be an arc (or mini-arc) to conquer those lands?

    Surely the Zhao wont just simply abandon them and its mandatory for Qin to do it, but you think we will see it on panel?
    I think it'll be off paneled. One, two or all 3 of the main Generals will be left behind when the rest return home to Qin and they'll basically fortify the area, like what happened with Choyou.

    I don't think we really have time to see what happens given that Ryofui is meant to be on trial 'this year'. A few chapters maybe but not an arc.

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