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    Create your Kingdom - random teams exhibitions

    This is not an event or an interest check, but rather a lobby thread where anyone up to a quick match can signup and be matched with another player and setup a cyk match in a matter of hours.

    The players will be given a random map and a random team, of equal power balance according to the following division in tiers. You can be given 1 top, 2 high and 3 mid tiers, or 3 high and 5 mid, or even just mid tiers, but the distribution is guaranteed to be the same for all the players of the match.


    To Play

    Whoever wants to signup for a quick game use the following formula: [signup]. From the moment you signup for a match, you implicitly agree to play with the current tier balance and, as a consequence, you'll accept your given team without reserves and complaints.

    In case the lobby is crowded, you're free to specify how many and which opponents you signup to face, if you don't you'll just be matched to other players randomly.


    Tier adjustment protocol

    You're free to discuss and to post to your heart's content in this thread. Discussion of any kind is encouraged as long as it's civil.

    To make official changes to the tiers, you need to present an official motion with the format [General to tier X] (general to be changed to the name of the general, and X to the name of the tier of destination). Then other people may quote the post with [agree] or [disagree]. The motion is approved if:
    _ at least 3 people [agree] with the motion.
    _ people who [agree] are at least 2 more than the people who [disagree].

    You may not have more than a pending motion at a time, to avoid cluttering.

    When a motion has been pending for a week, it's considered discarded.

    To propose the creation of a new tier, discuss it with the others and the mod without any protocol. Anyway, it'll be up to the mod to verify if there's enough consensus for it, and in any case new tiers can't have less than 8 generals to make sure RNG keeps playing the major role in the team selection.


    Current tiers


    TIER S
    Duke Hyou
    Earl Shi
    Gekishin
    Gohoumei
    Gokei
    Houken
    Kanki
    Kanmei
    Karin
    Moubu
    Ouki
    Ousen
    Reiou
    Renpa
    Riboku
    Shouheikun
    Tou
    Yotanwa

    TIER A
    Akou
    Bananji
    Chousou
    Choutou
    Chuganryou
    Gaimou
    Genbou
    Gyou'un
    Kaishibou
    Keisha
    Kisui
    Kyouen
    Mougou
    Ordo
    Rinbukun
    Rinko
    Seikai
    Shuusuiju

    TIER B

    Baijo
    Batei
    Bunen
    Feego King
    Fuuki
    Gakuei
    Goba
    Heki
    Junsou
    Kanou
    Kinmou
    Kousonryuu
    Kyuugen
    Makou
    Mangoku
    Ranbihaku
    Rihaku
    Rokuomi
    Ryuukoku
    Ryuutou
    Shoumou

    TIER CAPTAINS
    Futei
    Hakurei
    Kaine
    Kouyoku
    Kyoukai
    Mouten
    Ouhon
    Shin
    Ten

    TIER MINORS
    Domon
    Doukin
    En
    Gika
    Hakukisai
    Hyoushiga
    Kanjou
    Kokuou
    Kou Rigen
    Maron
    Mouki
    Raido
    Rinbou
    Shinseijou
    Shunmen
    Sosui
    Tajifu
    Zenou

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    I'm happy to play against the next person that posts

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    The tiers need to be balanced, this won't do. For a start, seeing how a fair number of people bash Gekishin for whatever reason, he shouldn't be in the top tier, because he'll be dismissed in confrontations with other top tiers.

    Next, something like Ordo and Bajio being in the same tier just won't do. Ordo jobbed to Ousen's psychological warfare and the plot device sleeping tiger of Zhao, but he is still none the less a great general. What's worse, you've got Rokuomi a tier below Bajio.

    A whole lot of fixes gotta be done before this can be played. If you're using tier names like S, A and B, don't go using top, high and mid in the rules, because that spells confusion all over the board. Moreover, something like 1 S tier getting replaced by 1 A and 2 B (since it goes from 1-2-3 to 0-3-5) isn't gonna work, not if your tiers are set up like this.

    If we fix all that I'm up for a game against Dofla, I'll manage my time somehow to squeeze a game in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zentos View Post
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    Moreover, something like 1 S tier getting replaced by 1 A and 2 B (since it goes from 1-2-3 to 0-3-5) isn't gonna work, not if your tiers are set up like this.
    replaced?

    you got this wrong. There is no structure in what can be given to players, the only limitations are that all players are having the same distribution. For example

    Match 1: dofla vs zentos
    dofla: 3S, 3A, 4C
    zentos: 3S, 3A, 4C

    Match 2: gp vs gnx
    gp: 1A, 2B, 2C
    gnx: 1A, 2B, 2C

    Match 540: zentos vs void vs gp
    zentos: 1A, 3C
    void: 1A, 3C
    gp: 1A, 3C

    pattern changes anytime, but everyone will always have the same distribution of power to work with as their opponents.

    The tiers need to be balanced, this won't do. For a start, seeing how a fair number of people bash Gekishin for whatever reason, he shouldn't be in the top tier, because he'll be dismissed in confrontations with other top tiers.

    Next, something like Ordo and Bajio being in the same tier just won't do. Ordo jobbed to Ousen's psychological warfare and the plot device sleeping tiger of Zhao, but he is still none the less a great general. What's worse, you've got Rokuomi a tier below Bajio.
    tier edits can only be discussed on the road and by a wider consensus, and they'll always be prone to change. So waiting for them to freeze into a state accepted by everyone is not just optimistic, it goes against the purpose since it's exhibitions matches for people who wants to play quickly skipping the team building. But i welcome discussion and adjustments so feel free to propose them as we go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispickle View Post
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    but the distribution is guaranteed to be the same for all the players of the match.
    My bad, missed this part somehow.

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    tier edits can only be discussed on the road and by a wider consensus, and they'll always be prone to change. So waiting for them to freeze into a state accepted by everyone is not just optimistic, it goes against the purpose since it's exhibitions matches for people who wants to play quickly skipping the team building. But i welcome discussion and adjustments so feel free to propose them as we go.
    Don't have to be 100% correct, but I'm sure there's a few that need to be dealt with before we even start. I'm fairly certain everyone will agree that Ordo > Rokuomi > Bajio, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zentos View Post
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    Don't have to be 100% correct, but I'm sure there's a few that need to be dealt with before we even start. I'm fairly certain everyone will agree that Ordo > Rokuomi > Bajio, for example.
    i... kind of don't

    but let's wait more inputs. In the meantime, do you wanna play with dofla or you'd rather wait?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispickle View Post
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    i... kind of don't

    but let's wait more inputs. In the meantime, do you wanna play with dofla or you'd rather wait?


    Sure, get it started. If we end up with an unbalanced mess we can fix it on the go.


    @DoflaMihawk;

    Let's do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zentos View Post
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    Sure, get it started. If we end up with an unbalanced mess we can fix it on the go.


    @DoflaMihawk;

    Let's do this.
    that's more like it


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    If anyone want a quick match i can make a strats in the next 48 hours.
    otherwise need to wait until weekend

    Agree that tiers should be more balanced. Though, I'm up for a match before we smooth things up

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    also, please remove all mid tiers.

    Last time we did that it's not super fun or anything. Well, add that as an option if the participants themselves ask for it specifically seems good

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    A quick suggestion for the tier:
    The composition should probably be something like
    1 SS, 1 A, 1 B, 1 Captain, 2 Minors
    2 S, 2A, 1B, 1 Captain, 2 Minors

    TIER SS

    Ouki
    Renpa
    Riboku
    Kanmei
    Moubu
    Duke Hyou

    TIER S
    Earl Shi
    Gekishin
    Gohoumei
    Gokei
    Houken
    Kanki
    Karin
    Ousen
    Reiou
    Shouheikun
    Tou
    Yotanwa
    Gaimou
    Ordo

    TIER A
    Akou
    Bajio
    Bananji
    Chousou
    Choutou
    Chuganryou
    Genbou
    Gyou'un
    Kaishibou
    Keisha
    Kisui
    Kyouen
    Mougou
    Rinbukun
    Rinko
    Seikai
    Shunshinkun
    Shuusuiju

    TIER B
    Batei
    Fuuki
    Gakuei
    Heki
    Junsou
    Kanou
    Kinmou
    Kousonryuu
    Kyuugen
    Makou
    Mangoku
    Ranbihaku
    Rihaku
    Rokuomi
    Ryuukoku
    Ryuutou
    Shoumou

    TIER CAPTAINS
    Futei
    Hakurei
    Kaine
    Kouyoku
    Kyoukai
    Mouten
    Ouhon
    Shin
    Ten

    TIER MINORS
    Domon
    Doukin
    En
    Gika
    Hakukisai
    Hyoushiga
    Kanjou
    Kokuou
    Kou Rigen
    Maron
    Mouki
    Raido
    Rinbou
    Shinseijou
    Shunmen
    Sosui
    Tajifu
    Zenou

    A bit of explanation, Tier SS is pretty much those generals with high reputations across the forum, usually consist of the top bids in each CYK. Though, I do wonder if i should put Duke Hyou in S instead of SS.

    Tier S is still the top guys, some has wonky reputation, that's why the team comp consist of 2 of them (since having only Ordo is GG most likely)

    I kinda want to just demolish Tier minor and insert the useful guys in Tier A or B instead. but doesn't have time atm

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    Houken tier S

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    Houken tier S
    .....

    i actually didn't even read his name when i tweak that tier list lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn_x00 View Post
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    .....

    i actually didn't even read his name when i tweak that tier list lmao
    I feel bad for whoever gets stuck with him as their lone top tier

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    I feel bad for whoever gets stuck with him as their lone top tier
    Bayou team would actually still get quite far tbf.. Since everyone will only have 1 top guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn_x00 View Post
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    Bayou team would actually still get quite far tbf.. Since everyone will only have 1 top guy
    pretty sure having a Renpa or Reebok over Houken is already a huge advantage

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    Whats appealing about these games is actually making the teams itself but this also isn't bad but I suggest we have a thread to vote on where everyone should be placed because atm the tier list is too all over the place.

    Tier S is too wide for one thing. Ouki should not be grouped with guys like Reiou or a very strong buffoon in Houken.
    Last edited by felixng2015; 06-25-2018 at 04:15 PM.

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    edited the op with a more formal approach to tier adjustment

    should make changes easier and less polemic

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    btw guys i edited it in the op but i'll say it again here

    if you post #signup it means you're ready to play as things are. If you disagree with the tiers so strongly that you feel you might incur in unfair team selection, then do NOT post #signup.


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    Earl Shi is not tier S

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    Also some of the people from tier captains can dominate tier B people

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    Also Heki and fuuki in the same tier

    This needs a lot of changing first imo.

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    Match 2: gp vs gnx
    gp: 1A, 2B, 2C
    gnx: 1A, 2B, 2C
    The tier list is pretty wack, but I suppose I can make some time for this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Potato View Post
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    The tier list is pretty wack, but I suppose I can make some time for this
    it was just an example, i went for you cuz you have the shortest name

    if you wanna play, press the #signup button

    if you wanna propose a change in the tier list, press the [General to tier X] button


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    Zenou is in tier minors

    So much wrong with this list. It needs a big rework

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