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  1. #1

    HSU vs Zenou clan

    No Kyoukai. No Ten.

    Shin and 3000 HSU elites versus Zenou and his 3000 clan members.

    Who wins? Why? Difficulty?

    Plains.

  2. #2
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    the zen ou clan shouldn't be able to compete with shin tactically. even though the clan may have the superior individual might this should still be a fairly easy win for shin.

    zen ou himself should provide some measure of difficulty, but doubt he's someone that shin can't handle.
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    shin hands down


  4. #4
    Zenou clan did play with Rigan and Keisha elites... Badly.

  5. #5
    Zenou clan should have more brute force. This is closer than people think.

    Shin extreme diff.

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    Zenou clan should have more brute force. This is closer than people think.

    Shin extreme diff.
    Exactly. Really impressive power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
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    Zenou clan did play with Rigan and Keisha elites... Badly.
    their strength was directed by kan ki. without someone to guide their power they more than likely wouldn't have that much success.

    it'll be like how the hsu kept on losing to all those fodder units after kyou kai stopped strategizing for them. except the zen ou clan is against an actually competent unit here, so they're bound to suffer an even greater loss.
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  8. #8
    Tbf Shin hasn't show much about leading people, especially when he's busy in front line.

    It will end with HSU win since Zenou also has no tactics (most likely) and Shin will kill him.

    High diff though

  9. #9
    I don't think Zenou is some completely braindead brute. He's not exactly a top strategist but he's familiarized himself with bandit tactics like the flame hare and was on the same wavelength as Raido when it came to ambushing and torching the Zhao setting up fortifications on the hill. Can at least think for himself a bit in that regard.

  10. #10
    Why do people think Zenou is dumb? Guy showed he can think smart.

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    the guy was completely reliant on someone like rai do to direct his strength; an individual with only an 80 in int. sure, he has some survival tactics from his bandit days, but can’t really attribute that to a strategical acumen capable of holding its own in this scenario. showing just any cognitive thought doesn’t mean he isn’t dumb tactically. even shin had some understanding of warfare and his units strengths/weaknesses back in sanyou, but that ability to think on his own alone didn’t mean he could lead a 1k unit or larger well.
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  12. #12
    But Zenou is clearly capable of leading his 3000 clan. And defeating Keisha and Rigan elites. Again, badly.

    Kanki send him. Yes. But Zenou is doing it.

  13. #13
    I don't think Zenou would need too much direction here anyways, I figure his straightforward direct method of combat is something that should be pretty effective against Shin. It's not like Shin's going to have the HSU flying around with evasive maneuvers, setting up elaborate traps, or busting out advanced tactical formations to stop Zenou in his tracks.

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    it’s not like shin would need any elaborate maneuvers. already gave the example of the hsu getting butchered by weak units back in risei despite their greatly superior strength and usual straightforward approach.

    if a weak unit with average strategy can trounce a strong unit that uses poor strategy then shin’s above average instinctual ability should surely guide him to a clean victory here.
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    it’s not like shin would need any elaborate maneuvers. already gave the example of the hsu getting butchered by weak units back in risei despite their greatly superior strength and usual straightforward approach.

    if a weak unit with average strategy can trounce a strong unit that uses poor strategy then shin’s above average instinctual ability should surely guide him to a clean victory here.
    The question is, can Zenou stall Shin long enough while the Zenou berserkers go over Shin his unit? I can only see the Hyou unit holding ground.

  16. #16
    Shin wins, it doesn't matter how strong your troops are if the other guy is much better at commanding than you.

  17. #17
    Wait, was it said somewhere that Zenou Clan was 3000-man unit?

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    Wait, was it said somewhere that Zenou Clan was 3000-man unit?
    Between 2 and 3 k berserkers.

  19. #19
    These fuckers just charge at the HSU... what the heck will Shin do with his so called strategy? I can see Shin and his Unit winning this but not because Shin has the better intelligence than Zenou.

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