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    What we know is that both Whitebeard and Kaidou are pirates and since Whitebeard has the worlds strongest pirate title that means he's above Kaidou. This is 100% concrete. The world strongest creature could exclude humans for all we know. Oda made it vague and either way we know already that Kaidou has lost to Whitebeard before. Whitebeard would beat anyone which is why he was given the title and why so many people respected him.

    We were given multiple clues that he was immortal when we were first introduced to him. Go reread his intro they mention that he couldn't be killed.
    The word seibutsu includes humans. We’ve been over this since the day it was brought up. Is WB a living creature yes or no ? Also why do you ignore what this novel says about the strongest pirate thing ? Nobody denies who WB was. It’s just that old WB can’t be the strongest based on what has been stated here and what we saw

    again no glimpse of immortality. Just that Kaido is super tough and every weapon broke





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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
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    What we know is that both Whitebeard and Kaidou are pirates and since Whitebeard has the worlds strongest pirate title that means he's above Kaidou. This is 100% concrete. The world strongest creature could exclude humans for all we know. Oda made it vague and either way we know already that Kaidou has lost to Whitebeard before. Whitebeard would beat anyone which is why he was given the title and why so many people respected him.

    We were given multiple clues that he was immortal when we were first introduced to him. Go reread his intro they mention that he couldn't be killed.
    lol

    the translator mentioned Kaido's title includes human as well.

    Kaido's Ls stem from his solo fight against the Yonkou and Marine HQ.

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    I mean what’s so bad about prime Kaido being stronger than Old WB ?





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    The word seibutsu includes humans. We’ve been over this since the day it was brought up. Is WB a living creature yes or no ? Also why do you ignore what this novel says about the strongest pirate thing ? Nobody denies who WB was. It’s just that old WB can’t be the strongest based on what has been stated here and what we saw

    again no glimpse of immortality. Just that Kaido is super tough and every weapon broke
    Big Mom had insane durability and she was referred to as an Iron Balloon. Why would Oda have two Yonkous with crazy durability in back to back arcs. Something about Kaidou is different and unless you're illiterate it's obvious that Oda was implying that Kaidou is immortal. Where does this novel mention that Kaidou is the Worlds Strongest Pirate?


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    lol

    the translator mentioned Kaido's title includes human as well.

    Kaido's Ls stem from his solo fight against the Yonkou and Marine HQ.
    No, the manga says he challenged the other emperors. GO REREAD his introduction. Are you telling me he beat the other yonkou? Why did Big Mom say Luffy will never be able to defeat that thing? Because he's immortal. Kaidou is weaker than both WB and Big Mom.



    Why does Nami say that he isn't human? Because humans in the one piece world arent considered creatures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
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    Big Mom had insane durability and she was referred to as an Iron Balloon. Why would Oda have two Yonkous with crazy durability in back to back arcs. Something about Kaidou is different and unless you're illiterate it's obvious that Oda was implying that Kaidou is immortal. Where does this novel mention that Kaidou is the Worlds Strongest Pirate?




    No, the manga says he challenged the other emperors. GO REREAD his introduction. Are you telling me he beat the other yonkou? Why did Big Mom say Luffy will never be able to defeat that thing? Because he's immortal. Kaidou is weaker than both WB and Big Mom.



    Why does Nami say that he isn't human? Because humans in the one piece world arent considered creatures
    I'm not here to debate his title because the translator already said it includes human. The japanese word was seibutsu, now go look it up.

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    This is hardly any definitive proof that Kaido is stronger than WB. Even Old WB should still be given the edge because he exerted control over the new world until his death. If there was ever any doubt WB wasn't the strongest then Kaido or some other Yonkou would of tried to dethrone him.
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    Big Mom stronger than Kaido ? Why did I even try to debate with you





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    Those are the people i call "walls" . There's no point in discussing with them. You throw facts at their faces but they ignore it.

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    I thought it was pretty much agreed upon that Kaido is > old and sick WB
    Kaido and Shanks and the other top tiers imo are more less just a tier below Prime WB and Roger




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    I'm not here to debate his title because the translator already said it includes human. The japanese word was seibutsu, now go look it up.
    Post that panel.

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    Big Mom stronger than Kaido ? Why did I even try to debate with you
    You're clearly a bias fanboy. Big Mom has better portrayal and feats than Kaidou. The older generation are clearly superior to anyone in Shanks/Kaidou generation. Only Luffy and the people from the worst generation will surpass them.

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    How does this make Kaidou stronger than Whitebeard again?
    No.​

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    Post that panel.



    You're clearly a bias fanboy. Big Mom has better portrayal and feats than Kaidou. The older generation are clearly superior to anyone in Shanks/Kaidou generation. Only Luffy and the people from the worst generation will surpass them.
    How can we even compare those when Kaido has no feats and little portrayal? Awfully convenient how you ignore Kaido's title as well. Nothing suggests Big Mom's stronger than him.
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    IMO, Kaidou and some other guys I won't mention were stronger than Old WB. The novel, however, does not prove that. Oda has supervised a bunch of non-canon things (Strong World and its associated filler episodes as well as Dead End Adventure and Movie Z). Until it's added to the manga or an SBS, it's non-canon.

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    I'd say without their captains the Whitebeards would be slightly stronger than the Red-Hairs and with their captains they'd be significantly stronger.
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    It's pretty obvious no Emperor was a real threat to Whitebeard. He just had too much power and influence.
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    Raigou apparently can't even destroy an island, which Whitebeard can do easily.
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    Obviously it was because of Whitebeard, but the crew even without the captain is still highly exceptional. If you take away the captains, the Whitebeard's would beat any Emperor crew decisively.
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    Vista can fight Whitebeard,

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    IMO, Kaidou and some other guys I won't mention were stronger than Old WB. The novel, however, does not prove that. Oda has supervised a bunch of non-canon things (Strong World and its associated filler episodes as well as Dead End Adventure and Movie Z). Until it's added to the manga or an SBS, it's non-canon.
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    How does this make Kaidou stronger than Whitebeard again?
    it does not.

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    What I always said and still makes the most sense to me is that Old WB was the strongest up to the end, however facing some strong contenders in 1vs1 scenario could end bad for him solely due to his illness.

    I mean, WB started decaying as soon as he plugged off his medicine back at the war, in a half-day fight against someone at Admiral/Yonko level the man would perish, despite being stronger from the start.

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    Old WB was definitely the weakest Yonko.
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    Of course they do, they pick up shit like psychology, philosophy and art, because they can't finish any decent major. They can't contribute to society in any way. Freeloaders, nothing else.
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    Grasping for air is much worse than losing half of the head.
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    Uhm, yes?
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    Big Mom's probably weaker than all the admirals, Marco and King as well.
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    True. Mihawk is stronger than both Shanks and Akainu. He can win against this version of Whitebeard with high or extreme difficulty.
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    That CUNT SpiRo can get the fuck out. The act of watching graphic stuff like that is not in and of itself bad. Ive always had a fascination with snuff and disturbing films. If youre going to argue that im not a good person or whatever because of that, then i guess every single person who likes action movies, manga, sports or anything that contains physical combat and violence must also be the same. There is a distinction between having an INTEREST in something and ADVOCATING or APPROVING of it.
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    Akainu is stronger than Shanks though
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    What do you mean do I think Vergo could beat Sanji, it already happened in the manga.

    Zoro is stronger than Vergo, was the same seat level as Pica and Zoro effortlessly put him down.

    Zoro would beat Sanji with even less difficulty than he beat Pica.
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    No swordsmen can beat Doffy. The guy can stitch his internal organs after taking a Counter Shock hit, sword wounds are a piece of cake for him. Vista's Mihawk level Haki and base stats would probably push Doffy to high-difficulty though.
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    No swordsmen can beat Doffy with a sword. Plain and simple. It's same like beating Buggy with a sword or Jozu with a sword. It's impossible, use your brain.
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    Evidence is the anime filler and common sense.
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    Doffy>Jozu>Cracker.The Manga show´s it pretty clear
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    Mihawk has more Hype,better portrayal and the better feats.

    Aokiji had problems with Jozu.

    Mihawk is also for now the strongest Char in the Series.Thats for sure
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    The World know that Mihawk is the WSS.He is just as famous and dangerous as the yonkous.The only difference is that he has no crew
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    the last battle of MF Whitebeard where he KO'ed Akainu.
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    Doffy cannot fight Mihawk for even 5 minutes.
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    Even Base Teach was able to defeat that pre-prime Shanks.
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    Akainu couldn't continue fighting while WB could. Pretty clear cut to me.
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    Zoro>Vergo>Smoker>Sanji
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    Akainu, by some luck, didn't fall into the sea, he probably caught a piece of ground and cling onto it until he regained his consciousness.
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    Also we know that BM already defeated Kaido at least once or even twice.
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    okey.
    So, Shanks is the protege of the PK? and Mihawk is the protege of the Apes king ? both of them were on the same ship idiot, not even a hint on who Roger preferred from the both in the manga, and when did i fucking say that Shanks has no potential, didn't even say that he falls to Mihawk in that aspect, i'm merely saying that we can say who.

    Monkey, Mihawk said that he ain't fighting Shanks in that specific meeting of their, and it was in a sarcastic way of denying because he didn't come for fighting unlike usual, he came for showing him Luffy's poster.
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    Retard, Shanks lost deliberately to that marine snake. Why would he want to heal his lost arm.
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    You can't leave us hanging like that
    Shanks, Big Mom, and the admirals. Many fans make the excuse that WB being stabbed by Squardo is the reason the admirals were able to do what they did, but as Croc implied, he should not have been stabbed in the first place. It doesn't matter if Squardo was a friend or foe. Robin couldn't stab Croc and Ace couldn't stab WB in his sleep, so why is this any different?

    When WB removed the medical equipment, his strength decreased. His DF was the only reason he was able to do what he did at the war. He snuck up behind Akainu and took more damage than Akainu did. The anime makes WB far more impressive, so I think that's the reason people see him as a super power house.

    Just look at this buffoonery:
    Anime:

    Manga:



    Anime:

    Manga:



    The anime quite literally made WB 100 times more impressive in the anime. They made Akainu look extra weak like he was scared or something. WB was getting his boots smoked the entire war in the manga. Kizaru shot Luffy's key WHILE STANDING ON WB'S BISENTO, for crying out loud. Flat out trolling in the face of WB.

    The reason I didn't want to bring this up is because fans act like you're talking about their own father when you talk about WB. And they always bring up this page as proof that WB was still the WSM as if a character statement is fact. Speaking of character statements, that whole WB=Roger thing came from Buggy. Nowhere else was this stated in the manga.

    My ninja Shiki went on WB's boat solo and laughed at him when WB threatened him.

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    I'd say without their captains the Whitebeards would be slightly stronger than the Red-Hairs and with their captains they'd be significantly stronger.
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    It's pretty obvious no Emperor was a real threat to Whitebeard. He just had too much power and influence.
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    Raigou apparently can't even destroy an island, which Whitebeard can do easily.
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    Obviously it was because of Whitebeard, but the crew even without the captain is still highly exceptional. If you take away the captains, the Whitebeard's would beat any Emperor crew decisively.
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    Vista can fight Whitebeard,

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    How does this make Kaidou stronger than Whitebeard again?
    Nobody knows and nobody says.

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    This isn't proof of anything.

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