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    What are your thoughts on a united European Army?

    Some intel beforehand on the EU military:


    Active/Reserve military personell: 1.4million/1.7million


    Ground artillery: 6,700 tanks, 48,971 AFVs, 2,312 SPGs, 3,492 Towed-Artillery and 1,069 MLRSs


    Aircrafts: 6751


    Naval: 61 submarines, 102 frigates, 21 destroyers, 39 corvettes, 167 Mine Warfare Craft, and 210 patrol craft, 8 aircraft carriers


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    I was actually massively surprised when learning about these numbers in detail. These are numbers challenging the US military (apart from aircraft and aircraft carriers, where the US has double as much).


    By sheer numbers the EU is a military superpower - but due to them splitting all these military stuff up into 27 different nations, the efficency is lacking.


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    Do you think the EU should increase their effort into bringing all their armies together, creating a unified EU-Army in the current and future geopolitical game?


    Did you even knew about the EU having such numbers in their military? What do you think about, maybe a german, soon being able to command 3.5 million soldiers?

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    Why on earth would you think EU would ever consider this.
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    Sources for these numbers? Even with those numbers of EU military, what nation's army is it consisting of?

    Even finland has almost 1 million in active + reserves, out of 5.5 million citizen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Defence_Forces

    But they're not EU-based.

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    As eu controls nearly everything there is to control I dont see what is stopping them from controlling the way armies work in eu countries and later on collect portions of those armies to form a bigger army that is working for eu specifically.
    They can say it's for our own safety against russia,kim,america whoever and ponder how this forces will help when there is a need cuz of natural disasters etc.

    It's really not that hard.

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    Sources for these numbers? Even with those numbers of EU military, what nation's army is it consisting of?

    Even finland has almost 1 million in active + reserves, out of 5.5 million citizen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Defence_Forces

    But they're not EU-based.
    What you mean they are not EU-based?
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    The EU's biggest powers are France and Italy. Germany could be considered on par too. Combined european forces nothing to laugh at either. Although european countries have far less equipment compared to US for examples, they are certainly not lacking in quality. Germany's Leopard tanks are arguably the best in the world and the weapons industry is relatively well developed even in countries that aren't considered as big dogs like Austria. France is well known for its military service vessel production for example, which supports even countries like Russia. Typhon Eurofighter is one of the best jets in service and could easily challenge the american F-22 or the russian Su-35. With UK leaving however, EU has a lost major power. UK soldiers were among the best trained in the world, not only their famous SAS.

    The problems such an army would face however would be willingness to cooperate, management and coordination. Even if we assume that all european countries would align their interests and form a common army, there would be trouble in managing this unitary force, since the EU isn't like the US, where the government has direct control over each state, but comprised of different countries. More powerful states would also have to support and cover for the weaker powers and fill the weak points. It would take several years for this army to work in complete unison. All the tactics, strategies, training, deployments and everything else would have to be well planned ahead and several drills would have to be performed with troops from each nation, which makes it quite hard for it to work to be honest. It would take at the very least a decade for them to be a serious challenge the US, assuming they would catch up with production of aircraft and navy vessels.

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