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    Luffy/Katakuri Upgrade and Katakuri's Profile

    Summary: Even since the Whole Cake Arc finished Luffy/Katakuri should be scaled to people like Marco/Jozu and Katakuri should get his own profile here on the UBD seeing that he has been a major character recently, and brings to the table a new set of Haki (Advanced COO).

    But I'll bring my evidence:

    1) He is a First Mate: It has been heavily implied in One Piece the main force behind a Yonko is a first mate serving as backup/most trusted crew mate who are capable of fighting people who could harm a Yonko. Here are some examples we have Marco/Ben Beckman who both are threats to an Admiral, Marco managed to harm people like Akainu/Aokiji whilst Kizaru considered Ben Beckman a threat. Another thing to add someone like Jozu managed to hurt Aokiji whilst not being a FM. Meaning people like Katakuri is more trusted to deal with threats rather than Jozu.

    2) Yonko's Armies: Even though Yonko's are at similar powers, it is not far from the idea they are at a stalemate due to having similar fire power in their territories. And the fact all Yonko has remained in their territories has proven this (Whitebeard is the exception because Ace was captured).

    3) Luffy vs Big Mom: I am not saying Luffy is Admiral/Yonko level however the fact he managed to clash with a casual Big Mom is something to consider. He managed to trade blows with Big Mom and was unharmed (In G4), yes you could say she was toying with him but wouldn't tanking his attacks like nothing be a better way and also she actually bothered to use her COA.

    http://ww14.watchop.io/manga2/read/one-piece/871/10

    4) Katakuri's Bounty: Has a bounty that is twice the amount of Chinjao’s who split an Ice Continent which is calced at Island level.

    https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blo...eadbutt.24692/


    5) Advanced Haki: Has shown to have the most advanced Haki of all the First Mates, by the fact none of them have been shown to see the future or cover it across their arms.

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    Chinjao calc was thrown out, dude.

    Dogtooth wasn't even a power or durability based character. He was centered around dodging/countering



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax View Post
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    Chinjao calc was thrown out, dude.

    Dogtooth wasn't even a power or durability based character. He was centered around dodging/countering
    I don't see any Mods saying it was invalid (Anyways which Chinjao calc did you try to debunk there are literally two).

    The fact he had enough strength to body G4 Luffy and tank hits from him says what kind of fighter he is. Pretty much every One Piece character is a powerhouse (Mid-Top).

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    You mean the one mod that's never on?

    We already discussed it in the thread.

    He NEVER took a KKG which is only small island level.

    Dogtooth was being hurt by base Luffy



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax View Post
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    You mean the one mod that's never on?

    We already discussed it in the thread.

    He NEVER took a KKG which is only small island level.

    Dogtooth was being hurt by base Luffy
    Well its does not mean your right, until a mod says its fine it is not.

    He took the Snakeman equivalent, King Cobra Gun and was still conscious afterwards (Albiet until he fell unconscious but it was after a fight with both were very injured) and managed to knock out Snakeman Luffy for a bit.

    He wasn't harmed that much even.
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    yea Luffy and Kata should be island plus


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aether View Post
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    yea Luffy and Kata should be island plus
    Is there anything wrong or something you want to add?

    Anyways how long was my mistake up there for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elementalist View Post
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    Is there anything wrong or something you want to add?

    Anyways how long was my mistake up there for?
    nah, its pretty reasonable to me. Katakuri should definitely be above the likes of Chinjao, or at least Jozu.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Numinous One View Post
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    Tbf it's a valid point.
    It operates under the notion that once split, the divide continues to either end of the continent. Anything in the line of that divide would also need to be split else it wouldn't actually open up as there would still be formations in place holding it together.
    For that matter the floor of his treasure cavern would also need to be split for the continent to divide as that would be holding it together. The only way for that surface to divide while still being held together below is if either side of the split were tilted, forcing the split wider. Which can't be the case since there's no evidence of the ground being angled afterwards or mention of large parts of the continent being submerged as a result.

    Furthermore it assumes the split is down the middle rather than any of the other directions and locations it could split that would yield a result that isn't the largest interpretation possible.

    It'd serve well enough as a hypothetical but there are too many unknowns and variables for it to be treated as anything but.
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    lol this is much better than your etherion calc


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aether View Post
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    lol this is much better than your etherion calc
    The Etherion calc only requires the assumption that the country they're referring to is as big as the smallest country on the continent.

    The Chinjao calc makes multiple assumptions that lack a baseline.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aether View Post
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    lol this is much better than your etherion calc
    Is NO a Mod, because it doesn't seem he is one in his profile...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elementalist View Post
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    Summary: Even since the Whole Cake Arc finished Luffy/Katakuri should be scaled to people like Marco/Jozu and Katakuri should get his own profile here on the UBD seeing that he has been a major character recently, and brings to the table a new set of Haki (Advanced COO).
    anyone can make a character profile, you don't have to make a case for something like that. just have to be able to support the scaling you gave the character in the profile.

    1) He is a First Mate: It has been heavily implied in One Piece the main force behind a Yonko is a first mate serving as backup/most trusted crew mate who are capable of fighting people who could harm a Yonko. Here are some examples we have Marco/Ben Beckman who both are threats to an Admiral, Marco managed to harm people like Akainu/Aokiji whilst Kizaru considered Ben Beckman a threat. Another thing to add someone like Jozu managed to hurt Aokiji whilst not being a FM. Meaning people like Katakuri is more trusted to deal with threats rather than Jozu.
    all first mates don't have to be equal. katakuri fought with a version of luffy that was no more powerful than he was when he fought cracker and doflamingo. strength wise, he didn't demonstrate the ability to fight on even terms with admirals. his advanced haki might take him far in a battle with an admiral, but his actual striking power isn't at that level from what we've seen.

    2) Yonko's Armies: Even though Yonko's are at similar powers, it is not far from the idea they are at a stalemate due to having similar fire power in their territories. And the fact all Yonko has remained in their territories has proven this (Whitebeard is the exception because Ace was captured).
    it's not that their armies are all equal, it's that defeating another's crew would take too much out of their resources and another yonkou or wg representative would surely pounce on that opportunity to wipe the winner out provided by the aftermath of some huge battle of theirs.

    3) Luffy vs Big Mom: I am not saying Luffy is Admiral/Yonko level however the fact he managed to clash with a casual Big Mom is something to consider. He managed to trade blows with Big Mom and was unharmed (In G4), yes you could say she was toying with him but wouldn't tanking his attacks like nothing be a better way and also she actually bothered to use her COA.

    http://ww14.watchop.io/manga2/read/one-piece/871/10
    luffy didn't "clash" or "trade blows" with big mom, one of his strongest attacks was blocked by her casually. that's not a demonstration of luffy having comparable power, and getting someone to use haki isn't the bar for this scaling.

    4) Katakuri's Bounty: Has a bounty that is twice the amount of Chinjao’s who split an Ice Continent which is calced at Island level.

    https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blo...eadbutt.24692/
    bounties aren't an accurate representation of strength.

    5) Advanced Haki: Has shown to have the most advanced Haki of all the First Mates, by the fact none of them have been shown to see the future or cover it across their arms.
    he's shown the most advanced haki of anyone. largely in part to one piece top tiers not having had the proper opportunity to display their abilities to their fullest extent. being the first one to demonstrate something doesn't warrant a boost in stats, same way doflamingo being the first one to demonstrate awakening on that level doesn't make him island level.

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    Is NO a Mod, because it doesn't seem he is one in his profile...
    you also don't need to be a mod for your view to be valued here

    if you have a valid and concrete reason or argument for something it should pass. even if someone purple disagrees with it, if there's no way to refute a point made it's a go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokio View Post
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    anyone can make a character profile, you don't have to make a case for something like that. just have to be able to support the scaling you gave the character in the profile.



    all first mates don't have to be equal. katakuri fought with a version of luffy that was no more powerful than he was when he fought cracker and doflamingo. strength wise, he didn't demonstrate the ability to fight on even terms with admirals. his advanced haki might take him far in a battle with an admiral, but his actual striking power isn't at that level from what we've seen.



    it's not that their armies are all equal, it's that defeating another's crew would take too much out of their resources and another yonkou or wg representative would surely pounce on that opportunity to wipe the winner out provided by the aftermath of some huge battle of theirs.



    luffy didn't "clash" or "trade blows" with big mom, one of his strongest attacks was blocked by her casually. that's not a demonstration of luffy having comparable power, and getting someone to use haki isn't the bar for this scaling.



    bounties aren't an accurate representation of strength.



    he's shown the most advanced haki of anyone. largely in part to one piece top tiers not having had the proper opportunity to display their abilities to their fullest extent. being the first one to demonstrate something doesn't warrant a boost in stats, same way doflamingo being the first one to demonstrate awakening on that level doesn't make him island level.
    I will agree to this now, however I haven't given up on trying to convince you. Thank you for addressing this, btw is the Chinjao calc thrown out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elementalist View Post
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    btw is the Chinjao calc thrown out?
    no, i don't believe that's ever officially been settled. everything numinous said was spot on tho imo.
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