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    CyK 6 - R2: Drex vs Tenma

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    Drex
    _ Ousen
    _ Houken
    _ Gaimou
    _ Kyuugen
    _ Gakuei
    _ Kanou
    _ Domon
    _ Kokuou
    _ 450 war chariots

    vs

    Tenma
    _ Karin
    _ Tou
    _ Genbou
    _ Maron
    _ Kyoukai



    Interpretation Rules

    All of these guys are meeting for the first time, so no prior experience in dealing with a certain enemy i.e. Tou knowing Reiou likes to use pincers or Ouki fighting Houken.
    In character: Characters are in character except when it severely compromises team synergy or the player's instructions, i.e. Houken wanting to challenge any strong general on his team. However, if it's their strategy/tactical quirk, like Ousen's refusal to straight up fight a competent opponent or Kanki not keeping his allies informed of his moves during battle, they keep it.
    Synergy: Characters that have canon synergy/familiarity keep it, like Hakurei and Kouyoku or Kaine and Futei.
    Elites: elites can do indipendent actions as long as they operate in their commander's battlefield. You can have Bajio's mountain warriors scouting a landmark or striking an enemy which is within Bajio's operational range, but you can't have his men detach completely and assign them to other general, or support other commanders in a completely different side of the battle. If you do it, these men will be considered "commanderless" and it'll greatly compromise their effects and efficiency.
    Knowledge: No knowledge since they are meeting for the first time.



    Points System and Voting Rules


    _ All players are in one big, unique group. At the end of the group phase, the 4 teams with the highest score will proceed to the semifinals.
    _ The winner of this match will be given 20 points. In case of draw, both teams will be given 8 points.
    _ All the players who are not involved in the battle are encouraged to vote for whoever they think is the winner, according to the strats posted and the wincon. Voting players are given 5 points right away. Non-players are welcome to vote as well. Voting is accepted only in the format [Team_A] or [Team_B], in bold. You can't vote for a draw. Votes are also only accepted if the voter provides a reason for them. And of course, the players involved in the battle can't vote.



    Map and Battle Terms

    The teams are going to face off in this map:
    A mainly forested map. Anything north of the river is covered in trees, except for the two encampments and a grassy hill midway between the two players, as a northernmost point. Below the river there's a plain starred by several trees and a small wood. In the central region, the river gently opens in a sort of lake. A small isle rises in the eye of the lake, where a large guard tower was built in ancient times on top of a cliff. The tower is currently abandoned. The river has no natural crossing points, but its waters are placid and just slightly deeper than a man's height in its deepest point.
    (map url: https://imgur.com/Vnd2ZLh.jpg - credits to gp)

    Each army counts 150k men.
    The map's edge takes approximately 2 days of march to travel for regular armies.

    Drex is blue, Tenma is red.

    Wincon: defeat your opponent's army or achieve an advantageous stalemate.



    Strategy Layout

    Each player must send the host their strat in max 2 days, following the structure:
    _ Deployment. Within the starting point's boundaries, description of your initial deployment. Troop divisions, the leaders of your sub-armies, and their position at time zero. You're strongly encouraged to use a picture or a drawing, as well as a small word description. Make absolutely sure your interlocutor understands how your army will look like at the beginning of the battle, and which ones are their first movements.
    _ General Strategy. An informal writeup of 3-4 sentences max to explain what's the main idea of your strat in a nutshell. Whatever you write here won't have value to be used in discussions, but it's helpful to view what you're trying to do before you descend into details in the instructions clauses._ Instructions. This is the Bible of your strat, and anything you say here is gonna be material of discussion in the thread. Instructions are supposed to be the principal orders you give each one of your commanders as the chief of military. Your commanders will try their utmost to fulfill these orders no matter what. Anything you won't explicitly state as an indication will be entirely up to your commanders' discretion. You can give your commander in chief (if you have one) up to 3 clauses, to your generals up to 2 clauses each, and to your captains up to 1 clause each. Clauses are lexical periods that end with a full stop. Do not break the clause limit or anything you write past it won't be considered.



    drex' slippery slaps
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    Deployment:

    Ousen, Houken, Domon, and Kanou: 90 000
    Gaimou: 40 000
    Kokuou and Kyuuogen: 8 000 with 400 chariots
    Gakuei: 5000

    Strat:
    Ousen, Houken, and Kanou with 90,000 with head straight to the hill from the get-go, and will split their forces into two before they reach the hill (and before they get into the enemy's sight range) such that if the enemy's planning to compete over the hill, it will be intercepted and halted by the main army, while the rest of the detached forces will proceed to take it secretly. After my detached army ascends the hill, it will join forces with the other part immediately taking advantage of their footage. Ousen and Kanou will go with 40,000 and Houken with Domonand (to intercept) with 50,000. (C)
    If the hill was completely ignored, or once it's completely secured, Ousen will fortify the hill and make preparations to attack the enemy's HQ if he sees so. (Ousen might send a small detachment to take the small tower at the center at any point if he sees necessary)

    On the other hand, two defense lines will be set before the HQ, Kyuuogen and Kokuou with 8,000 and 400 chariots will be hidden in the forests to ambush any enemy approaching the HQ with 1. A rain of arrows 2. woodcutters cutting down trees and slamming them over their faces 3. 400 chariots which will have a path created for them thanks to the falling trees. (B)

    Gaimou with his 40,000 will be at standing still in front of my HQ, ready to attack any incoming forces the second Kokuou begin her surprise attack. (not shown on map)

    5000 men with 50 chariots
    (at the front line), led by Gakuei at A will be standing at the river cliff to watch for any enemies approaching from there, they can switch Gamiou's or even Kokuou's attention at any time to intercept enemies coming across the river with arrows instead.

    another 500 man detachment will be set free roaming the forest surrounding my HQ with smoke signals to watch for any enemies ( kyoukai for instance ) trying to sneak in, they can get killed for all I care but will direct Gaimou and/or Koukou to their position.

    Instructions:

    Ousen (CIC):
    - Ousen may send messengers ahead(10s or so) with smoke signals to see through the enemy's battle plan regarding the hill (for instance, to know whether will Tou hit the hill or whether he'll by-pass it).
    - If the hill was completely ignored, or once it's completely secured, Ousen will fortify the hill and make preparations to attack the enemy's HQ if he sees so.
    - Might send a small detachment to take the small tower at the center at any point if he sees necessary.

    Gaimou:
    - Watch for enemies approaching from the river and the forest, and might split his army if the enemies attacked from two routes, under instructions pre-given by Ousen.
    - Might even proceed to attack the enemies from the river route if no enemies showed up.

    Koukou:
    - If Gaimou dueled Tou, she'll send an arrow through his skull during the process, if possible, as well as stay on guard against ambushes

    Gakuei:
    - will not allow any enemies to cross the river.
    - might go to help assist Gaimou and leave some men at his post, but will never abandon the coast completely.



    tenma's perilous punches
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    Deployment: Tou KarinGenbou Kyoukai Maron



    Tou is Commander in Chief with 45k, Karin is Vice-commander with 40k, Genbou has 20k, Kyoukai has 30k and Maron 15k.



    General strategy: The battle will be divided into two armies, Karin/Kyoukai and Tou/Genbou/Maron. Karin and Kyoukai (and initially Maron) will focus on taking the river tower immediately. Karin and Kyoukai will fortify the banks of the river on the river with spike traps, smokes and soldiers in order to make it difficult for cavalry to cross, Karin will take control of the plains area around the lake. In the event Drex claims the tower instead, the bank of the river around the plans will be fortified with spikes and smoke to make it a total pain for the enemy to get across the straightforward way (naturally with the level of tactical acumen Karin and Kyoukai will be wary of blindspots and alternatives).

    Tou, Genbou and Maron will battle for the hill, fortifying it and launching an aggressive assault with combined tactical and martial force. In the early stages, both groups will focus on isolating and taking the heads of the average generals like Kyuugen and Kanou (Tou and Kyoukai playing executioner), in the latter stages a concerted effort will be made to destroy Gaimou before finally focusing on Ousen.

    Instructions:

    Tou
    - Will lead from the front
    - Use GG aura to moralize troops in case Ousen or Kokuou pull some shit
    - Tell all commanders to avoid duels with Houken and Gaimou unless absolutely neccessary.

    Genbou
    - In charge of strategy and fortifications for the Tou army
    - Teach everyone how to create and use anti-cavalry and anti-chariot traps, with Karin's skill she should have no problem replicating the basics of it

    Maron
    - In the very beginning, he will set fire and create interference near the lake to allow Karin to reach the tower first but later move to defend Genbou.

    Karin
    - Use deceptive formations to enable Kyoukai to land fatal blows
    - Make an impression of trying to kill Ousen and Gaimou early when in reality she is targeting the weaker generals first


    Kyoukai
    - By night, sneak into enemy camp and take heads of commanders.





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    Last edited by Crispickle; 04-19-2018 at 02:56 PM.


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    this looks like it will be interesting. anyway, might need to define "achieve an advantageous stalemate" more honestly.

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    On paper Drex got this... But Tenma is smarter so interesting it will be.

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    I think this will be an interesting match, both teams have the right tools to work the forest, though those chariots are going to be hard to put to good use here.

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    On paper Drex got this... But Tenma is smarter so interesting it will be.
    i think you need to chill and get over your complex...

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    I think this will be an interesting match, both teams have the right tools to work the forest, though those chariots are going to be hard to put to good use here.
    nvm actually.
    Last edited by DreX; 04-16-2018 at 06:53 PM.


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    Drex is already losing. Try to think calmly, buddy.

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    Drex is already losing. Try to think calmly, buddy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Potato View Post
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    I think this will be an interesting match, both teams have the right tools to work the forest, though those chariots are going to be hard to put to good use here.
    Just send out his woodcutter in the night and make some way for the chariots

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    Tenmas army is one i like the most, but this one will be hard...

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    aw man this is gonna be a pain in the ass

    Houken's a surprisingly irritating monkey wrench as well.

  10. #10
    Are we really expecting the bloodshed in 3 hours?

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    did Tenma send anything yet, crispi?


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    Not yet, got finals and deadlines for the rest of the month. I will get it out before the time limit tho.

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    Not yet, got finals and deadlines for the rest of the month. I will get it out before the time limit tho.
    okay, that's literally my line.


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    drex' slippery slaps
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    Deployment:

    Ousen, Houken, Domon, and Kanou: 90 000
    Gaimou: 40 000
    Kokuou and Kyuuogen: 8 000 with 400 chariots
    Gakuei: 5000

    Strat:
    Ousen, Houken, and Kanou with 90,000 with head straight to the hill from the get-go, and will split their forces into two before they reach the hill (and before they get into the enemy's sight range) such that if the enemy's planning to compete over the hill, it will be intercepted and halted by the main army, while the rest of the detached forces will proceed to take it secretly. After my detached army ascends the hill, it will join forces with the other part immediately taking advantage of their footage. Ousen and Kanou will go with 40,000 and Houken with Domonand (to intercept) with 50,000. (C)
    If the hill was completely ignored, or once it's completely secured, Ousen will fortify the hill and make preparations to attack the enemy's HQ if he sees so. (Ousen might send a small detachment to take the small tower at the center at any point if he sees necessary)

    On the other hand, two defense lines will be set before the HQ, Kyuuogen and Kokuou with 8,000 and 400 chariots will be hidden in the forests to ambush any enemy approaching the HQ with 1. A rain of arrows 2. woodcutters cutting down trees and slamming them over their faces 3. 400 chariots which will have a path created for them thanks to the falling trees. (B)

    Gaimou with his 40,000 will be at standing still in front of my HQ, ready to attack any incoming forces the second Kokuou begin her surprise attack. (not shown on map)

    5000 men with 50 chariots
    (at the front line), led by Gakuei at A will be standing at the river cliff to watch for any enemies approaching from there, they can switch Gamiou's or even Kokuou's attention at any time to intercept enemies coming across the river with arrows instead.

    another 500 man detachment will be set free roaming the forest surrounding my HQ with smoke signals to watch for any enemies ( kyoukai for instance ) trying to sneak in, they can get killed for all I care but will direct Gaimou and/or Koukou to their position.

    Instructions:

    Ousen (CIC):
    - Ousen may send messengers ahead(10s or so) with smoke signals to see through the enemy's battle plan regarding the hill (for instance, to know whether will Tou hit the hill or whether he'll by-pass it).
    - If the hill was completely ignored, or once it's completely secured, Ousen will fortify the hill and make preparations to attack the enemy's HQ if he sees so.
    - Might send a small detachment to take the small tower at the center at any point if he sees necessary.

    Gaimou:
    - Watch for enemies approaching from the river and the forest, and might split his army if the enemies attacked from two routes, under instructions pre-given by Ousen.
    - Might even proceed to attack the enemies from the river route if no enemies showed up.

    Koukou:
    - If Gaimou dueled Tou, she'll send an arrow through his skull during the process, if possible, as well as stay on guard against ambushes

    Gakuei:
    - will not allow any enemies to cross the river.
    - might go to help assist Gaimou and leave some men at his post, but will never abandon the coast completely.



    tenma's perilous punches
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    Deployment: Tou KarinGenbou Kyoukai Maron



    Tou is Commander in Chief with 45k, Karin is Vice-commander with 40k, Genbou has 20k, Kyoukai has 30k and Maron 15k.



    General strategy: The battle will be divided into two armies, Karin/Kyoukai and Tou/Genbou/Maron. Karin and Kyoukai (and initially Maron) will focus on taking the river tower immediately. Karin and Kyoukai will fortify the banks of the river on the river with spike traps, smokes and soldiers in order to make it difficult for cavalry to cross, Karin will take control of the plains area around the lake. In the event Drex claims the tower instead, the bank of the river around the plans will be fortified with spikes and smoke to make it a total pain for the enemy to get across the straightforward way (naturally with the level of tactical acumen Karin and Kyoukai will be wary of blindspots and alternatives).

    Tou, Genbou and Maron will battle for the hill, fortifying it and launching an aggressive assault with combined tactical and martial force. In the early stages, both groups will focus on isolating and taking the heads of the average generals like Kyuugen and Kanou (Tou and Kyoukai playing executioner), in the latter stages a concerted effort will be made to destroy Gaimou before finally focusing on Ousen.

    Instructions:

    Tou
    - Will lead from the front
    - Use GG aura to moralize troops in case Ousen or Kokuou pull some shit
    - Tell all commanders to avoid duels with Houken and Gaimou unless absolutely neccessary.

    Genbou
    - In charge of strategy and fortifications for the Tou army
    - Teach everyone how to create and use anti-cavalry and anti-chariot traps, with Karin's skill she should have no problem replicating the basics of it

    Maron
    - In the very beginning, he will set fire and create interference near the lake to allow Karin to reach the tower first but later move to defend Genbou.

    Karin
    - Use deceptive formations to enable Kyoukai to land fatal blows
    - Make an impression of trying to kill Ousen and Gaimou early when in reality she is targeting the weaker generals first


    Kyoukai
    - By night, sneak into enemy camp and take heads of commanders.



    Round 2 battle 1: start!

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    wtf he completely ignored the banks

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    the battle for the hill is pretty much the decider of this match, and Drex looks to have the upperhand on an initial read

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    dunno if Crispy even proofreads these, how do you accept Drex's long ass general strat?

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    the battle for the hill is pretty much the decider of this match, and Drex looks to have the upperhand on an initial read

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    dunno if Crispy even proofreads these, how do you accept Drex's long ass general strat?
    everything is written in the general strat. I had to add the rest precisely since Crispi didn't accept it


  18. #18
    agree with Void, the hills will be the initial clash and most likely the winner will have the momentum to win the battle.

    Drex's Ousen, Houken, and Kanou + Domon with 90,000
    Tenma's Tou 45k, Genbou has 20k and Maron 15k.

    Favouring Drex at the initial read since his split troops will secure the hill faster, Houken should be able to kill Tou if it comes to a duel, Ousen should be able to outplay Genbou. Will read it up a bit more before deciding
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    wtf he completely ignored the banks
    I don't know why'd you think I'd put myself at a critical disadvantage by crossing the river when i can take it across the forest in a battle where taking the hill is more important than taking the HQ anyways. Plus your army has less number of top tiers if you kept someone at halt to watch for your HQ or the river bank (which would be the most likely case) that's a huge burden off my shoulders.


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    what the fuck is that giant strategy

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