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    Quote Originally Posted by Guan Yu View Post
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    What nonsense?
    First off, Keisha is a SHE, A SHE, when will yall learn ?

    Secondly, Keisha of course destroys Gyou'un.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasniamor View Post
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    First off, Keisha is a SHE, A SHE, when will yall learn ?

    Secondly, Keisha of course destroys Gyou'un.
    First, Keisha is a dude bro

    Secondly, He will not defeat Gyou'un with the same numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasniamor View Post
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    First off, Keisha is a SHE, A SHE, when will yall learn ?

    Secondly, Keisha of course destroys Gyou'un.

    1 - Keisha has a penis

    2 - Gyou'un crushes him

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    He'd take Gyou'un or Ordo reliably in these conditions, possibly an FD like Gaimou or Eishi as well (Reiou and Gokei are out of his reach).
    I'd go with this.

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    The only types of generals that I don't see Keisha beating are the more exceptional tactical/strategic types. I am talking Riboku, Ousen and Karin here. Hell I think he stands a good chance against any fire dragon level Opponent.

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    If Gyou'un destroys Keisha, the former would be a much bigger player overall in the current arc. Rather than leading 10k with no real superiority over the other generals, he'd be leading a larger army with the others as his deputies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanki View Post
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    If Gyou'un destroys Keisha, the former would be a much bigger player overall in the current arc. Rather than leading 10k with no real superiority over the other generals, he'd be leading a larger army with the others as his deputies.
    I don’t understand this logic. Each General on the Zhao side are leading their own soldiers nothing more. Kisui is not 20,000 soldiers better than anybody on the Zhao sides those are just his numbers from his city. Riboku saved Gyou’un like Ousen saved Shin because they thought these armies where the main keys to victory. Don’t you think Riboku & Ousen view Gyou’un and Shin significantly more than the rest base on how they were used?

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    Keisha is portrayed as slightly better than Gyou'un overall, but even disregarding that the manner in which Riboku deigned to use him indicates he works better with smaller numbers, while Keisha's web means he naturally plays better with bigger ones. And Gyou'un is portrayed as a counter to strategic generals so he loses that matchup advantage he usually has also. And with OP's rules he isn't given the requisite vassals to lead 100k troops, so he's kind of boned really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guan Yu View Post
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    First, Keisha is a dude bro

    Secondly, He will not defeat Gyou'un with the same numbers.
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    1 - Keisha has a penis

    2 - Gyou'un crushes him
    Keisha was close to a GH seat, what has Gyou'un done to make you guys believe he's even close to the girl ?

    The only aspect in which Gyou'un is better is in martial prowess, but why would Keisha let him get close to her ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasniamor View Post
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    Keisha was close to a GH seat, what has Gyou'un done to make you guys believe he's even close to the girl ?

    The only aspect in which Gyou'un is better is in martial prowess, but why would Keisha let him get close to her ?
    gyou un getting close to keisha? Is this becoming yaoi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heart View Post
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    gyou un getting close to keisha? Is this becoming yaoi?
    It can't be yaoi, Keisha's a girl yo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasniamor View Post
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    Keisha was close to a GH seat, what has Gyou'un done to make you guys believe he's even close to the girl ?

    The only aspect in which Gyou'un is better is in martial prowess, but why would Keisha let him get close to her ?
    And Gakujou is a Great General that believed to surpass previous 3GH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcusx8 View Post
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    I don’t understand this logic. Each General on the Zhao side are leading their own soldiers nothing more. Kisui is not 20,000 soldiers better than anybody on the Zhao sides those are just his numbers from his city. Riboku saved Gyou’un like Ousen saved Shin because they thought these armies where the main keys to victory. Don’t you think Riboku & Ousen view Gyou’un and Shin significantly more than the rest base on how they were used?
    this

    people seem to always make the weird assumption that generals can only operate well in the conditions they're seen in, and are automatically disadvantaged if battling under any other conditions

    gaku'ei's abilities may very well rival gyou'un, ba nan ji's, and cgr's by that logic
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    the gyouun train so strong to make everyone forget keisha being one step from 3GH and having duke hyou dancing on his palm, as well as essentially beating kanki in the contest for the hill conquest in the first phase of kokuyou



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    Quote Originally Posted by Guan Yu View Post
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    And Gakujou is a Great General that believed to surpass previous 3GH
    Gakujou >> Gyou'un

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasniamor View Post
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    It can't be yaoi, Keisha's a girl yo
    some of that Crispy is rubbing off on you




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    If Gyou'un destroys Keisha, the former would be a much bigger player overall in the current arc. Rather than leading 10k with no real superiority over the other generals, he'd be leading a larger army with the others as his deputies.
    Gakuei = Gyou'un, then?

    Not that I think Gyou'un destroys Keisha but that logic is silly.

    Ninja'd by Tokio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcusx8 View Post
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    I don’t understand this logic. Each General on the Zhao side are leading their own soldiers nothing more. Kisui is not 20,000 soldiers better than anybody on the Zhao sides those are just his numbers from his city. Riboku saved Gyou’un like Ousen saved Shin because they thought these armies where the main keys to victory. Don’t you think Riboku & Ousen view Gyou’un and Shin significantly more than the rest base on how they were used?
    Yup, pretty much that is

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    Gakuei = Gyou'un, then?

    Not that I think Gyou'un destroys Keisha but that logic is silly.

    Ninja'd by Tokio.
    Gakuei = Gyou Un in this context is the case. We have 4 Generals with the same amount of men under them (Bannaji lost a part of his though), Gyou Un abilities and reputation seems way over the others, still questionable if its more crucial if he dies or any other general present on the Zhao side, just considering how hard a blow the loses of Bananji where, so losing a General even Gakuei probably means losing all of the men in the generals army. On top of that i dont think anyone would believe that Keisha would have just a position as a general on equal terms with the others if he where still alive. It still can be considerd a better feat to lead a coalition army than an army of 10'000 men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki View Post
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    Gakuei = Gyou Un in this context is the case. We have 4 Generals with the same amount of men under them (Bannaji lost a part of his though), Gyou Un abilities and reputation seems way over the others, still questionable if its more crucial if he dies or any other general present on the Zhao side, just considering how hard a blow the loses of Bananji where, so losing a General even Gakuei probably means losing all of the men in the generals army. On top of that i dont think anyone would believe that Keisha would have just a position as a general on equal terms with the others if he where still alive. It still can be considerd a better feat to lead a coalition army than an army of 10'000 men.
    attributing the number of men a general leads in a given circumstance to a measure of their overall ability is what's being argued against. none of what you said really addressed that.

    gyou'un and gaku'ei both leading 10k during this war doesn't mean their capabilities are equal, nor does kei sha leading more men in other campaigns automatically mean his abilities are more impressive.

    in this campaign, no zhao general has lead anything other than their personal armies. it's possible kei sha's army may be larger than others, but there's no grounds to assume he would be leading over other generals when there's no precedence for it despite there being a clear hierarchy.
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