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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascot View Post
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    Now I disagree cause he wasnt outmaneuvered, actually he completely "felt" trough Gyoun decisive plan of not using the big blaze but taking a side road and this was something GUs werent expecting.

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    Kyoukai needed to step in because the Gyou un army was dominating HSU martially (theres also number advantage in place), So I really think that both for the duel and for the blaze it was not a matter of "outmaneuvering" but "overpowering" that gave Gyou'un the advantage.
    No it was outmaneuvering, simply being able to figure out where the second big blaze would happen is not the same as maneuvering on the same level as gyou un. There could not be a difference in the quality of soldiers between gyou uns and the hi shin unit so great that only kyou kai could balance the tables, this means gyou un out played shin and by the time shin realized it the only way to level the playing feels was to use kyou kai who had give it her very all both martially and strategically to overcome the disadvantageous situation they were in. This disadvantage didn't come from troop quality, it came from gyou un better allocating his troops and being able to use more troops and higher quality troops during this attack while shin's troop allocation didn't allow for that, in part because he figured out gyou un's plan in the last moment, whereas gyou un could have been building this flame from the very beginning(which could be why shin had such a hard time defending against it).

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    Well actually, what was the numbers advantage? If it's notable than i'll admit that could possibly have been the dominant factor too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heart View Post
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    No it was outmaneuvering, simply being able to figure out where the second big blaze would happen is not the same as maneuvering on the same level as gyou un. There could not be a difference in the quality of soldiers between gyou uns and the hi shin unit so great that only kyou kai could balance the tables, this means gyou un out played shin and by the time shin realized it the only way to level the playing feels was to use kyou kai who had give it her very all both martially and strategically to overcome the disadvantageous situation they were in. This disadvantage didn't come from troop quality, it came from gyou un better allocating his troops and being able to use more troops and higher quality troops during this attack while shin's troop allocation didn't allow for that, in part because he figured out gyou un's plan in the last moment, whereas gyou un could have been building this flame from the very beginning(which could be why shin had such a hard time defending against it).

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    Well actually, what was the numbers advantage? If it's notable than i'll admit that could possibly have been the dominant factor too.
    It started as 10K to 8K but thanks to the earlier losses who knows what it was by that time. I also don’t think Gyou’un necessarily outplayed Shin. Gyou’un and Shin set the battle as the stronger army will win the blaze. It’s not really Shin fault that Gyou’un army is stronger individually than his. Shin put his Army in the best position to succeed which is all you ask of a General. The other Army was just better.

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