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    Episode 7 complete

    Someone better pick up that phone

    Because I called it

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    Motherfucker they're the same person?!?

    That's so bullshit, there had to be times when the kids saw them together

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    Been waiting for that for 8 episodes

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    I failed big time at deducing how the culprit committed the murders. It was mostly due to one simple factor:

    I assumed the family deep down was good people.
    Well, I'm sure they are good people in a different fragment.


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    So Battler's sin was that he made some vague promise to Shannon and didn't follow through on it?

    When he was 12?
    Yes, that's Battler's sin. Although it sounds like nothing but a childish promise, it was much more important to Shannon than Battler.


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    I genuinely think Umineko is one of the best weeb stories out there

    but sometimes...some-fucking-times, it is so, soooo stupid. This is one of those times. The love aspect was poorly done, which is why most people are disappointed post episode 5. The idea is that Rokkenjima was sitting a metaphorical and literal bomb. Literal being the explosives. Metaphorical being the compilation of all their sins (mainly the shitty adults) exploding in the form of Shannon losing his/her mind thanks to Battler's sin...which realistically was fucking nothing. His mom died, his father cheated on her in the meanwhile and got remarried. Battler was 12 at the time, which makes Shannon's hatred look silly and unwarranted where he's concerned.

    At least now you know why Battler was a dick to Chick Beato in EP6. He didn't want to turn out like Kinzo.
    Uhm, it's not like Yasu decided to kill everyone on Rokkenjima just becauce Battler didn't fulfill his promise to 'her'. Yes, it was an important factor, but it's not just that. Yasu's life have been trash since the moment she was born. Her genitalia were mutilated during the cliff accident, which made her unable to make love to her loved ones. Not knowing who she actually is, she grew a gender identity issues. The fact that she had a horrible body and even fellow servants made fun of her made her depressed to the point where she had to create imaginary friends. Despite all those horrible things which happened to her, she began to feel happiness by the time she spend with Battler. That was the happiest period of her life. A childish promise which didn't matter much to Battler back then was something very important to Yasu. Therefore, the moment Battler broke the promise, he also destroyed the last piece of hope of Yasu having a decent life. And that's exactly what caused Yasu to completely break down.


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    Episode 7 complete

    Someone better pick up that phone

    Because I called it
    Technically you were right, but you just correctly guessed a 'culprit', which is a small part of the truth, so...


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    Motherfucker they're the same person?!?

    That's so bullshit, there had to be times when the kids saw them together
    There were many hints, and I was hoping you would notice that. For example, Kanon and Shannon's trail. They had to fight each other, as 'both of them' couldn't exist at the same time.

    It doesn't matter if the kids saw them together to be honset. Remember, what's most important is detective's perspective, as he's the one trying to find the truth. When Battler (episode 1-4), Erika (episode 5-6) and Willard (episode 7) were detectives, they have never seen Kanon and Shannon together. Do you remember Willard's talk with Shannon at the beginning of episode 7?


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    Been waiting for that for 8 episodes
    Hm? Do you hate Bern that much? Well, I was waiting for that as well, so I shouldn't be saying anything.

    Make sure to write a review or something when you finish the series, so we can talk about things we haven't discussed yet. If you still haven't figured out some things, feel free to ask me. I'll try to answer.

    Man, it's such a shame you weren't able to solve Bern's game by yourself. You actually had to do that in the visual novel.

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    Don't you take away from my achievement Jorm, the whodunnit is the most important part

    Yeah I'm a lot more satisfied with the whydunnit now that it's been fully revealed. It's just that in E7 they made it seem like it was just about the promise lol.

    I don't especially hate Bern, but she has been this untouchable figure since E1 so it was nice to see her get taken down a peg. And yeah I enjoyed the 'pure mystery' she set up for Battler, I probably wouldn't have been able to figure it out myself.

    I'll definitely give my thoughts on each episode once I've had time to think it through.

    Just curious, when did you figure out the culprit? (if you ever did )

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    Don't you take away from my achievement Jorm, the whodunnit is the most important part

    Yeah I'm a lot more satisfied with the whydunnit now that it's been fully revealed. It's just that in E7 they made it seem like it was just about the promise lol.

    I don't especially hate Bern, but she has been this untouchable figure since E1 so it was nice to see her get taken down a peg. And yeah I enjoyed the 'pure mystery' she set up for Battler, I probably wouldn't have been able to figure it out myself.

    I'll definitely give my thoughts on each episode once I've had time to think it through.

    Just curious, when did you figure out the culprit? (if you ever did )
    I feel like Willard wouldn't like to hear what you just said, lol. Well, well, let's say you did alright. On a serious note, you're right. You correctly guessed the culprit, and that's the most important part.

    Yeah. As far as I remember, the manga added some additional Yasu's moments in episode 8. Her actual appearance, backstory, how she created the game and so on. As for Requiem of the Golden Witch, the Tea Party was dope. The truth sealed within the cat box, Bernkastel messing with Lion, Willard being badass as always, etc.

    I have to agree with that. She's not on the level of Auaurora, but it was really enjoyable to see her getting beaten up by Battler despite her being far higher being than both him and Beatrice. Nah, I'm sure you'd be able to figure it out. It took me about an hour or so.

    Sure, there are some awesome scenes you haven't given your thoughts on yet, so I'm looking forward to it. ;)

    I had a vague idea in episode 3, but some puzzles were missing. Then I had my own theory in episode 5, which turned out to be right. The next episode gave me some important informations and I was almost certain about it, and the next one after that did confirm it.

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    @Jörmungandr;

    Here are my thoughts. Ask if you'd like me to elaborate on anything.

    My three standout favourite characters would be Battler, Beato and Erika. They all have different yet interesting backstories and personalities, and the way they play off each other makes for some great moments. In fact a lot of my favourite scenes usually involve at least two of these characters. Anyway, onto the episodes:

    Episode 1: Great start to the series. It impressively manages to convey all 18 characters' distinct personalities, and also builds up suspense as each is killed off one after another. Mostly mystery which I love, and the fantasy only pops up at the end, giving you incentive to read the next episode. I imagine it will be an excellent re-read aswell. A

    Episode 2: The weakest of the 'question' arcs IMO. Introduces Golden Beato, as well as quite a few interesting concepts such as the Meta-World and red truths, but there aren't any especially memorable scenes besides the ending. The fantasy stuff just doesn't interest me much, and I probably wouldn't like this episode at all if Beato wasn't so damn entertaining. B

    Episode 3: Perhaps my favourite episode, as it established Beato as best girl in all her psychotic glory. Seeing all the different sides to her was fascinating, and it all culminates in the best scene yet with her saving Battler from the red web. Eva getting the spotlight was a nice bonus as she's my favourite adult. And Beato vs Virgila, wow. I usually don't enjoy magic battles but this one clearly was well thought out and was a cut above the rest. A+

    Episode 4: Could've been my favourite if not for Ange. She's not bad or anything, but her journey just isn't as compelling as the gameboard. This one only picks up steam near the end, as Ange's final scene does hit an emotional note, and Battler vs Beato might be the best fight in the series. Oh and props to me to figuring out the culprit here. A-

    Episode 5: A great start to the 'answer' half of the story. Wasn't a big fan of Erika at first but she definitely turned into one of my favourites by the end, and she plays off of Battler very well. The Ace Attorney-esque trial at the end was fantastic. Only complaint would be the Golden Truth came across as a bit of an asspull, but that's a minor thing. A

    Episode 6: Had a slow start but everything after 'Kyrie cannot save Battler' is excellent. The love trial was weird but in hindsight, it's fantastic foreshadowing to the true culprit. Beato's wedding crashing scene is perfect and her putting Erika in her place was immensely satisfying. This could've made a great finish for the entire series honestly. A

    Episode 7: My least favourite episode, and also the longest unfortunately. I can see why Lion is included, but why Willard? Battler already figured everything out, so why does this new guy show up and take all the credit. We don't even learn anything about him. Bern as the villain is alright but I preferred going up against the likes of Beato and Erika. Kinzo's backstory and the culprit's confession were good but overall it's still the weakest. B-

    Episode 8: Probably has the best start to an episode. The hide-and-seek game was great to see everyone finally get along, and Bern's 'pure mystery' was a refreshing change from all the magic stuff. Then it just went full-on with the fantasy, which isn't a plus as I prefer the mystery side of the story. Also they decided to make Ange the MC for some weird reason, which put me off even more. Favourite bit from would be Bern vs Lambda, but overall the secpnd half was myah. B+

    Overall I'm not sure how to rank it. Umineko has a lot of highs but also a number of lows, so it might not crack my top 10 manga but it's definitely worth a read for anyone interested in either mystery or fantasy.

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    Only on chapter 8 currently, but figured I'd share some thoughts since things are starting to pick up. Kyrie & Battler's dad seemed sorta cool, sucks they got killed off so quick. Wonder how they lost their faces, though. Saw the heir dying from the start tbh, gave off that vibe I guess. Also, have a feeling that Maria is going to end up with a lot of creepy ass kid moments

    Battler still wants to feel up his cousins it seems, can't say I digg that too much. I know the whole pervert bit is an act to an extent, but come on. He should just worry about cucking George rather than trying to get the cousin lovin going

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    Only on chapter 8 currently, but figured I'd share some thoughts since things are starting to pick up. Kyrie & Battler's dad seemed sorta cool, sucks they got killed off so quick. Wonder how they lost their faces, though. Saw the heir dying from the start tbh, gave off that vibe I guess. Also, have a feeling that Maria is going to end up with a lot of creepy ass kid moments

    Battler still wants to feel up his cousins it seems, can't say I digg that too much. I know the whole pervert bit is an act to an extent, but come on. He should just worry about cucking George rather than trying to get the cousin lovin going
    So who's the culprit?

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    @Jörmungandr;

    Here are my thoughts. Ask if you'd like me to elaborate on anything.

    My three standout favourite characters would be Battler, Beato and Erika. They all have different yet interesting backstories and personalities, and the way they play off each other makes for some great moments. In fact a lot of my favourite scenes usually involve at least two of these characters. Anyway, onto the episodes:

    Episode 1: Great start to the series. It impressively manages to convey all 18 characters' distinct personalities, and also builds up suspense as each is killed off one after another. Mostly mystery which I love, and the fantasy only pops up at the end, giving you incentive to read the next episode. I imagine it will be an excellent re-read aswell. A

    Episode 2: The weakest of the 'question' arcs IMO. Introduces Golden Beato, as well as quite a few interesting concepts such as the Meta-World and red truths, but there aren't any especially memorable scenes besides the ending. The fantasy stuff just doesn't interest me much, and I probably wouldn't like this episode at all if Beato wasn't so damn entertaining. B

    Episode 3: Perhaps my favourite episode, as it established Beato as best girl in all her psychotic glory. Seeing all the different sides to her was fascinating, and it all culminates in the best scene yet with her saving Battler from the red web. Eva getting the spotlight was a nice bonus as she's my favourite adult. And Beato vs Virgila, wow. I usually don't enjoy magic battles but this one clearly was well thought out and was a cut above the rest. A+

    Episode 4: Could've been my favourite if not for Ange. She's not bad or anything, but her journey just isn't as compelling as the gameboard. This one only picks up steam near the end, as Ange's final scene does hit an emotional note, and Battler vs Beato might be the best fight in the series. Oh and props to me to figuring out the culprit here. A-

    Episode 5: A great start to the 'answer' half of the story. Wasn't a big fan of Erika at first but she definitely turned into one of my favourites by the end, and she plays off of Battler very well. The Ace Attorney-esque trial at the end was fantastic. Only complaint would be the Golden Truth came across as a bit of an asspull, but that's a minor thing. A

    Episode 6: Had a slow start but everything after 'Kyrie cannot save Battler' is excellent. The love trial was weird but in hindsight, it's fantastic foreshadowing to the true culprit. Beato's wedding crashing scene is perfect and her putting Erika in her place was immensely satisfying. This could've made a great finish for the entire series honestly. A

    Episode 7: My least favourite episode, and also the longest unfortunately. I can see why Lion is included, but why Willard? Battler already figured everything out, so why does this new guy show up and take all the credit. We don't even learn anything about him. Bern as the villain is alright but I preferred going up against the likes of Beato and Erika. Kinzo's backstory and the culprit's confession were good but overall it's still the weakest. B-

    Episode 8: Probably has the best start to an episode. The hide-and-seek game was great to see everyone finally get along, and Bern's 'pure mystery' was a refreshing change from all the magic stuff. Then it just went full-on with the fantasy, which isn't a plus as I prefer the mystery side of the story. Also they decided to make Ange the MC for some weird reason, which put me off even more. Favourite bit from would be Bern vs Lambda, but overall the secpnd half was myah. B+

    Overall I'm not sure how to rank it. Umineko has a lot of highs but also a number of lows, so it might not crack my top 10 manga but it's definitely worth a read for anyone interested in either mystery or fantasy.
    Battler and Beato are also my favorite characters. About Battler, I love how intelligent and incompetent he is at the same time. Despite being one of the most knowledge characters when it comes to mystery genre, he's not Mary Sue by any means. That's why I think he's a perfect protagonist for Umineko, unlike Erika and Willard. As for Beato... well, I don't have to say anything.

    We have similar thoughts about each episode, but I don't agree with some it. Of course, people have different opinions, but as a fanboy, I have to elaborate.

    Episode 1: You pretty much nailed it. The only thing I'd add is a fantastic foreshadowing. Especially a scene where Rudolf says that he's going to get killed. It was explained in episode 8. He didn't mean the culprit, but a certain someone.

    Episode 2: Yeah, you're right. Some of Beato's closed rooms were fairly interesting, but there wasn't much of 'hype' moments besides Rosa and Maria's scene and the ending. Although I feel like it was simply an introduction to Meta-World and mystery-based things, I agree with this episode being the weakest.

    Episode 3: Once again, you nailed it. I wouldn't say it's my favorite episode, but it's possibly the most enjoyable. This is the point where Beato raised the level of her game. A majority of things Battler had to deal with were really hard to solve, even for Umineko standards. Now that you finished the story, do you have any idea what Beato said in red at the end of the game?

    Episode 4: Yeah. I like Ange as a character, but her journey wasn't as interesting as some other stuff. She has a right to be edgy for an obvious reason, but sometimes I couldn't could bear her any longer. The only positive of her was the moment where she prevented Battler from giving up. Battler vs Beatrice's fight at the end of episode is certainly one of my favorite moments in the sereis. Ehem... small bombs. Yeah, props to you for 'figuring out' a culprit. *posts Lancer emote*

    Episode 5: I told you, you'd either love or hate Erika. She's a type of person you want to cut into thousands pieces, but she's not a bad character by any means. The Court of Illusions was great. From Erika revealing that she was listening to Battler's breath for the whole night, to Battler denying Erika's truth. Also, I'd love to see Battler in a witch outfit, lol. Yeah, the Golden Truth is clearly an asspull, but as you said, it's a minor thing. At least we've got a beautiful golden truth from Ange at the end of episode 8.

    Episode 6: Not much happened in episode 6, to be honest. The love trails, the logic error and the wedding. Not to mention, the beginning was kinda slow. That being said, it's definitely one of my favorite episodes, for obvious reasons.

    Episode 7: Well, the purpose of this episode was to reval the truth sealed within the cat box. What actually happened on the Rokkenjima, what caused some characters to act this way and so on. It's not like Willard's taking the credit. There has to be a reader, and Battler had no intention, nor reason to participate in 'Bern's game'. Yes, this episode was slow, but I don't mind it that much as the tea party was beyond my expectations.

    Episode 8: Weird reason? The whole purpose of Battle's last game was to help Ange in making a choice about her future. No matter what happened to Battler, Beatrice and the rest of the cast, it didn't matter anymore. The game'd be sealed in the cat box, continuing for all eternity. However, there was still one more thing left, Ange. Battler just wanted her to be happy, to realize that her brother and parents won't come back anymore. Also, in the visual novel you had to answer the riddles by yourself. The ones at Halloween party and Bern's game. I completely forgot to tell you about that.

    You enjoyed it, and I'm really happy about that. Well, I didn't expect Umineko to become your favorite series, as even I don't consider to manga to be the best one ever made. Some things were different compared to the original source, but it still was great nonetheless.

    That's about it, I guess. That leaves us with the most important question. Do you think the magic exist or not? Is it a full mystery, full fantasty, or partly fantasty-mytery story?

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    Only on chapter 8 currently, but figured I'd share some thoughts since things are starting to pick up. Kyrie & Battler's dad seemed sorta cool, sucks they got killed off so quick. Wonder how they lost their faces, though. Saw the heir dying from the start tbh, gave off that vibe I guess. Also, have a feeling that Maria is going to end up with a lot of creepy ass kid moments

    Battler still wants to feel up his cousins it seems, can't say I digg that too much. I know the whole pervert bit is an act to an extent, but come on. He should just worry about cucking George rather than trying to get the cousin lovin going
    Yeah, Rudolph and Kyrie are cool. There's no better couple (at least for now) than them. As for Maria, fortunately or unfortunately, she's creepy almost all the time.

    Well, it's nothing but a comedic scene. Don't worry, there's won't be much of it.

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    So who's the culprit?
    It's obviously Gohda. He gives off that vibe of a serial killer.

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    I have to admit that magic... is real

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