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    one is the strongest crew among the yonkos and the other is the weakest, so that should make a considerable gap between them IMO.

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    I agree that Akainu wins, but aren't you neglecting that Luffy has powered up?
    Although that is true, let's compare some feats shall we? Katakuri's attacks failed to take down Luffy even though they connected several times in the 9 hour window. Akainu has shown that he can tank probably the strongest attack in the series so far. The Sweet Commanders can't really win here. So although Luffy's strength has increased tremendously, he still pales in comparison to Akainu.

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    Although that is true, let's compare some feats shall we? Katakuri's attacks failed to take down Luffy even though they connected several times in the 9 hour window. Akainu has shown that he can tank probably the strongest attack in the series so far. The Sweet Commanders can't really win here. So although Luffy's strength has increased tremendously, he still pales in comparison to Akainu.
    ya i agree they can't beat Akainu



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    Akainu dogwalks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shota Aizawa View Post
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    one is the strongest crew among the yonkos and the other is the weakest, so that should make a considerable gap between them IMO.
    Prove it.

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    Akainu fist´s all of them

    Kata have a poor Dura and a even more worse Stamina and Cracker is a Glasscanon.Snack is irrelevant and Smoothie is Smoothie.

    Even Marco and Vista could not add a scratch to akainu

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    Fair enough

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    Yeah,sure..
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    alright

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    one is the strongest crew among the yonkos and the other is the weakest, so that should make a considerable gap between them IMO.

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    I agree that Akainu wins, but aren't you neglecting that Luffy has powered up?
    Yeah, there's nothing that suggests Linlin's crew is the weakest of them all. What do you mean by considerable? What difficulty do you think Katakuri, Smoothie, and Cracker would give Marco, Jozu, and Vista?
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    They don't have the firepower to defeat Akainu. Katakuri is the strongest and he can't even beat base Luffy despite using Awakening for 9 hours straight. Akainu burns them all.
    he beat him many times couldn't kill him tho.

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    he beat him many times couldn't kill him tho.
    He couldn't kill him and Luffy seemed to be able to take Katakuri's attacks all day long, no problem. Katakuri was defeated as soon as Snakeman came out.

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    He couldn't kill him and Luffy seemed to be able to take Katakuri's attacks all day long, no problem. Katakuri was defeated as soon as Snakeman came out.
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    They are not losing to Akainu..
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    Of course they do, they pick up shit like psychology, philosophy and art, because they can't finish any decent major. They can't contribute to society in any way. Freeloaders, nothing else.
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    Grasping for air is much worse than losing half of the head.
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    Uhm, yes?
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    Big Mom's probably weaker than all the admirals, Marco and King as well.
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    True. Mihawk is stronger than both Shanks and Akainu. He can win against this version of Whitebeard with high or extreme difficulty.
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    That CUNT SpiRo can get the fuck out. The act of watching graphic stuff like that is not in and of itself bad. Ive always had a fascination with snuff and disturbing films. If youre going to argue that im not a good person or whatever because of that, then i guess every single person who likes action movies, manga, sports or anything that contains physical combat and violence must also be the same. There is a distinction between having an INTEREST in something and ADVOCATING or APPROVING of it.
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    Akainu is stronger than Shanks though
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    What do you mean do I think Vergo could beat Sanji, it already happened in the manga.

    Zoro is stronger than Vergo, was the same seat level as Pica and Zoro effortlessly put him down.

    Zoro would beat Sanji with even less difficulty than he beat Pica.
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    No swordsmen can beat Doffy. The guy can stitch his internal organs after taking a Counter Shock hit, sword wounds are a piece of cake for him. Vista's Mihawk level Haki and base stats would probably push Doffy to high-difficulty though.
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    No swordsmen can beat Doffy with a sword. Plain and simple. It's same like beating Buggy with a sword or Jozu with a sword. It's impossible, use your brain.
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    Evidence is the anime filler and common sense.
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    Doffy>Jozu>Cracker.The Manga show´s it pretty clear
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    Mihawk has more Hype,better portrayal and the better feats.

    Aokiji had problems with Jozu.

    Mihawk is also for now the strongest Char in the Series.Thats for sure
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    The World know that Mihawk is the WSS.He is just as famous and dangerous as the yonkous.The only difference is that he has no crew
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    the last battle of MF Whitebeard where he KO'ed Akainu.
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    Doffy cannot fight Mihawk for even 5 minutes.
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    Even Base Teach was able to defeat that pre-prime Shanks.
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    Akainu couldn't continue fighting while WB could. Pretty clear cut to me.
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    Zoro>Vergo>Smoker>Sanji
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    Akainu, by some luck, didn't fall into the sea, he probably caught a piece of ground and cling onto it until he regained his consciousness.
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    Also we know that BM already defeated Kaido at least once or even twice.
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    No, it has nothing to do with 'imports' or whatever. Half the fault falls on the one being rapped rather than the one rapping. I mean, it's like putting a tasty pizza with mayo on it in front of the hungry you, switch on the quite music, prepare the drinks, and yet ask you no to eat it.
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    okey.
    So, Shanks is the protege of the PK? and Mihawk is the protege of the Apes king ? both of them were on the same ship idiot, not even a hint on who Roger preferred from the both in the manga, and when did i fucking say that Shanks has no potential, didn't even say that he falls to Mihawk in that aspect, i'm merely saying that we can say who.

    Monkey, Mihawk said that he ain't fighting Shanks in that specific meeting of their, and it was in a sarcastic way of denying because he didn't come for fighting unlike usual, he came for showing him Luffy's poster.
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    Every CoA is hardening but not every hardening is CoA
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    Retard, Shanks lost deliberately to that marine snake. Why would he want to heal his lost arm.
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    Of course my sig reeks of shit when i have you in my sig.
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    Like wth man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Whitebeard View Post
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    He couldn't kill him and Luffy seemed to be able to take Katakuri's attacks all day long, no problem. Katakuri was defeated as soon as Snakeman came out.
    he cannot take them all day long. He was going in and out of concious a couple of chapters ago.

    and no one can kill Luffy.

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    he cannot take them all day long. He was going in and out of concious a couple of chapters ago.

    and no one can kill Luffy.
    But he just did...It doesn't matter if he was going in and out of consciousness. In the end he's the last one standing.

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    But he just did...It doesn't matter if he was going in and out of consciousness. In the end he's the last one standing.
    it does matter. It proves he can't take it all day long.

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    it does matter. It proves he can't take it all day long.
    Again, he just took all the attacks Katakuri had to offer and is now walking away from Mirror world as the winner of the fight.

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    Honestly, I have no idea. On one hand, Cracker is a glass cannon, Snack is overall weaker than Cracker, Smoothie is a placeholder, and Katakuri's offensive game just seems plain pitiful. On the other hand, it took a quake attack from a pissed off Whitebeard that split Marineford in half to stop Akainu and dude could still get up and fight a little while later. This is also the same Akainu that fought Aokiji for 10 days and permanently altered the weather of an island. However, if we look on one foot it would seem weird to say that Katakuri should be too far off from Marco who has shown that he can hold off an Admiral but on the other foot, simply equivocating characters because they hold the same position in a crew has shown itself to hold no water.

    So my logic would say that Akainu should lose to these four but from what we've seen? How could he? Not to mention Big Mom casually blocked a Kong Gun with no give and a smile on her face whereas Katakuri, the strongest after her, got launched through his souped up hardened guard.

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    Honestly, I have no idea. On one hand, Cracker is a glass cannon, Snack is overall weaker than Cracker, Smoothie is a placeholder, and Katakuri's offensive game just seems plain pitiful. On the other hand, it took a quake attack from a pissed off Whitebeard that split Marineford in half to stop Akainu and dude could still get up and fight a little while later. This is also the same Akainu that fought Aokiji for 10 days and permanently altered the weather of an island. However, if we look on one foot it would seem weird to say that Katakuri should be too far off from Marco who has shown that he can hold off an Admiral but on the other foot, simply equivocating characters because they hold the same position in a crew has shown itself to hold no water.

    So my logic would say that Akainu should lose to these four but from what we've seen? How could he? Not to mention Big Mom casually blocked a Kong Gun with no give and a smile on her face whereas Katakuri, the strongest after her, got launched through his souped up hardened guard.

    So yeah.
    Why is that? The top 3 commanders formula is now obvious among all Yonko crews and its safe to assume that they're all very close in strength. Whitebeard remnants or the Calamities won't perform much better than the Sweet Commanders in Wano.

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    Why is that? The top 3 commanders formula is now obvious among all Yonko crews and its safe to assume that they're all very close in strength.

    Safe to assume that based on what? Snack was taken out by Urouge and is weaker than Cracker, Cracker can't take more than a single good hit before throwing in the towel, and Katakuri can't take even half the damage he himself can dish out (and offense isn't his main thing). The portrayal between them and the Commanders at Marineford is pretty different. Marco successfully intercepted all three Admirals and suffered no damage until seastone came into the equation. Katakuri spent a workday beating on Luffy and couldn't finish the job and his entire crew would rather Big Mom destroy her entire territory than try to stop her. I can't imagine Jozu, Marco, and Vista being that useless in the same situation. Sure, it seems that the structure is there but that says nothing about their strength relative to each other.

    Now of course, things are also changing so it's quite possible that Luffy is now able to do the same to the Admirals that Marco did. Personally, I pretty much think as much---dude is for all intents and purposes on Katakuri's level and will do 90% of the work to bring down Kaidou. But again, looking at my previous post and seeing the power that the Admirals had before the time skip and the relatively pitiful performance of Katakuri is really questionable. Again, Akainu took a quake that split Marineford clean in half and that didn't even keep him down for good. Katakuri's strongest attack, the Diced Mochi that he slammed Snakeman into the ground with, barely stopped Luffy for three panels. The difference just in endurance and damage soak alone right there is insane. If that's Katakuri's best, what are the other Commanders supposed to do against Akainu?

    Whitebeard remnants or the Calamities won't perform much better than the Sweet Commanders in Wano.
    The remnants are a shadow of what they once where and of course the Calamities won't perform much better. The only opponents that can be a challenge for Luffy now are Admirals and Yonkou themselves. Maaaaaybe another "First Mate" but Luffy is now ready to face the world's top.

    Or maybe not if Katakuri is *that* much weaker than Big Mom. Who knows?
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    Safe to assume that based on what? Snack was taken out by Urouge and is weaker than Cracker, Cracker can't take more than a single good hit before throwing in the towel, and Katakuri can't take even half the damage he himself can dish out (and offense isn't his main thing). The portrayal between them and the Commanders at Marineford is pretty different. Marco successfully intercepted all three Admirals and suffered no damage until seastone came into the equation. Katakuri spent a workday beating on Luffy and couldn't finish the job and his entire crew would rather Big Mom destroy her entire territory than try to stop her. I can't imagine Jozu, Marco, and Vista being that useless in the same situation. Sure, it seems that the structure is there but that says nothing about their strength relative to each other.

    Now of course, things are also changing so it's quite possible that Luffy is now able to do the same to the Admirals that Marco did. Personally, I pretty much think as much---dude is for all intents and purposes on Katakuri's level and will do 90% of the work to bring down Kaidou. But again, looking at my previous post and seeing the power that the Admirals had before the time skip and the relatively pitiful performance of Katakuri is really questionable. Again, Akainu took a quake that split Marineford clean in half and that didn't even keep him down for good. Katakuri's strongest attack, the Diced Mochi that he slammed Snakeman into the ground with, barely stopped Luffy for three panels. The difference just in endurance and damage soak alone right there is insane. If that's Katakuri's best, what are the other Commanders supposed to do against Akainu?



    The remnants are a shadow of what they once where and of course the Calamities won't perform much better. The only opponents that can be a challenge for Luffy now are Admirals and Yonkou themselves. Maaaaaybe another "First Mate" but Luffy is now ready to face the world's top.

    Or maybe not if Katakuri is *that* much weaker than Big Mom. Who knows?
    We will have to dismiss all clashes in MF as mere plot shield for the good guys. With what's said and done in this arc, an Admiral can probably steamroll Marco, Jozu and Vista in his own, given that Big Mom can do it against Katakuri and Co. So Marco blocking an Admiral is no more than a character showing his ability only for him to be later taken out. Even in MF we had indications of this. Akainu took on all of the commanders despite being injured so Marco, Vista or Jozu would absolutely stand no chance against him alone. This arc made it clear where the commanders stand. You may argue that they can't be equated, but they sure can when we now they've kept Whitebeards in check for 20 years.
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    We will have to dismiss all clashes in MF as mere plot shield for the good guys.
    But why?

    With what's said and done in this arc, an Admiral can probably steamroll Marco, Jozu and Vista in his own, given that Big Mom can do it against Katakuri and Co.
    But Katakuri and the other Commanders aren't Marco, Jozu, and Vista. Why, if the Sweet Commanders should falter, should we degrade the others in the actual feats they accomplished? Though I do understand it, but if we do that we might as well throw the entire Marineford arc out instead of just a few instances. Again, I think more than anything giving everyone a blank check because they're supposedly on the same level no longer makes. You get what you give and that's it. Until X character shows me what they have, no matter what the title it seems we should be suspect. Katakuri admitted very plainly that he had never fought someone as strong as Luffy, didn't he? Maybe my memory is fuzzy but at the very least, no one had ever dodged him that much which one would think is super odd if he's supposedly doing what Marco and etc are doing, yes?
    So Marco blocking an Admiral is no more than a character showing his ability only for him to be later taken out. Even in MF we had indications of this.
    I mean, it was super clear that at the time Marco was being portrayed as someone who could contend with the Admirals. No need to argue against that. What has changed, however, is our interpretation of how the Yonkou stack up against each other. At that time, we assumed that all the Yonkou's top forces would pretty much be copy paste in terms of strength but recent times tells us that's not necessarily so and each crew has different dynamics and ways of doing things.
    Akainu took on all of the commanders despite being injured so Marco, Vista or Jozu would absolutely stand no chance against him alone.
    He stood against them with Marine back up but he never scored any hits on Marco or anyone else important. He downed Curiel who didn't seem any stronger than Moria in their brief skirmish. Should we down everyone else because of that?

    This arc made it clear where the commanders stand. You may argue that they can't be equated, but they sure can when we now they've kept Whitebeards in check for 20 years.
    In check in doing what? Whitebeard had zero interest in being King. Big Mom, however, has been complaining about her loss to Roger for over 20 years and is no closer to it now than she was before Roger was even King. We've got to update our ideas of how the Yonkou work. They're overall close enough in power but that doesn't mean that they're all 100 to each other's 100. And they all have different goals. Whiteberad didn't care about being King or amassing power---he just wanted a family. Blackbeard wants to amass as much power as possible as quickly as possible. Kaidou wants a big war and for all of his crewmembers to be zoan users. Shanks just wants to netflix and chill. Big Mom is still suffering from her big loss to Roger several decades ago and likes to eat sweets.

    Heck, even with Jack he "seemed" a bit more hardened in getting a beatdown by presumably Fujitora and possibly Sengoku and going back to Zou to try and fight some more. With what Katakuri took, it's hard to imagine that he'd be able to continue fighting after such a beatdown (note, this isn't me saying Jack is stronger than Katakuri but just looking at portrayal and comparing them). But then again, maybe Luffy is just that powerful now which, with this victory, he probably is. But then again again, we now seemingly have an even more massive gap between some Emperors and probably Admirals than initially thought.

    So I mean. What're the Sweet Commanders doing to Akainu again? Once more, my logic says they beat him but recent manga developments seem to say not in this lifetime. Kind of see where I'm coming from?
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