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    I'd say porn and media bombardment is a bigger issue than immodest dressing. Though I think they are all issues that need to be dealt with.
    I think immodest dressing is just a byproduct of this culture of oversexualization.

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    It might increase the odds by a bit but you can't fault someone for revealing skin lol.

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    I think immodest dressing is just a byproduct of this culture of oversexualization.
    I agree with this.

    I think lots of people won't be able to admit to the damage this culture of hypersexualization has done either because they can't see it (due to being in the midst of it) or because they don't want to see it (enjoying porn, one night stands, being able to see half naked women walking around). But the damage is definitely there. I don't know whether you'd agree or not, but I'd say the breakdown of the nuclear family is definitely linked to this culture of hypersexualization.


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    It might increase the odds by a bit but you can't fault someone for revealing skin lol.
    Sure I can.
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    I agree with this.

    I think lots of people won't be able to admit to the damage this culture of hypersexualization has done either because they can't see it (due to being in the midst of it) or because they don't want to see it (enjoying porn, one night stands, being able to see half naked women walking around). But the damage is definitely there. I don't know whether you'd agree or not, but the breakdown of the nuclear family is definitely linked to this culture of hypersexualization.
    Indeed. People wish to have the best of both worlds and chant about sexual liberation and freedom, have topless protests, push sexualization and objectifying in the media, but don't want to address the consequences that stem from it. Society can't put sex on this incredibly high pedestal and then act surprised when they see such things as cat-calling, sexual harassment, single mothers, and unwanted pregnancies happening on such a frequent basis. I feel traditional values like commitment or saving yourself for marriage are being lost because of this, since we're now living in an environment where high-school students can find themselves being mocked and shamed for being virgins and so forth.

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    this was actually researched in many countries and all evidence has consistently pointed to the contrary.
    There is no correlation between immodesty and sexual abuse.
    Women who dressed modestly were raped and assaulted just as much as those who didn't.

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    rape is more prevalent in cultures with an emphasis on patriarchy. e.g. my own ;-;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikamara View Post
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    this was actually researched in many countries and all evidence has consistently pointed to the contrary.
    There is no correlation between immodesty and sexual abuse.
    Women who dressed modestly were raped and assaulted just as much as those who didn't.

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    rape is more prevalent in cultures with an emphasis on patriarchy. e.g. my own ;-;
    What culture is this
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    why is this even a thread
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    One question.

    If you think posting on an anime forum at the age of 28 is pathetic then why are you making an Ask Me Anything thread at the age of 28 on an anime forum?

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    it's more the general nature of the society.
    I wouldn't say sexism is overtly terrible. I mean women make up half of the work force.
    However, the patriarchy is insidious e.g. even if you work, you have to take care of house affairs, while men do nothing
    girls must be chaste, while boys get told nothing
    girls have curfews when boys don't

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    this was actually researched in many countries and all evidence has consistently pointed to the contrary.
    There is no correlation between immodesty and sexual abuse.
    Women who dressed modestly were raped and assaulted just as much as those who didn't.
    I can guarantee you that this is false. All credible evidence (and I posted a lot of it) shows the exact opposite, that repeated overexposure to highly sexualized imagery can and does rewire the brain to view other human beings more as objects than people which is one large factor in the sharp increase in sexual assault.

    Yes, a woman who is dressed modestly can be raped and depending on the situation she is in her clothing might make absolutely no difference at all to the rapist. I've never denied this. A person who is willing to go as far as to rape will rape or take advantage of a woman if she is in a vulnerable enough situation (she needs money, needs to keep this job etc) regardless of what she is wearing. But the reason this person is willing to actually go as far as to rape or assault someone is because the damage has already been done. For his entire life he was bombarded with images of scantily clad women, been given access to porn, went to parties where hooking up was common, didn't have to worry about waiting until marriage for sex and so on and so forth. The result? His brain has been rewired so that he has a strong tendency to view women as objects and not as people. As things to be used and not people to connect with. Sure, there are likely other factors too (such as being abused as a kid) but the hypersexialized culture is no doubt a huge part of this.

    As far as I'm concerned, women who dress scantily or men who don't try to control where their eyes go are all guilty of propagating the very things that lead to sexual assault. People don't wanna hear it, but it's the truth. People have been told for few decades now that women are equivalent to bags of meat so now they're being treated like bags of meat.

    All I hear some people say is how people should be able to wear what they want blah blah blah even if there are negative results. It makes no sense to me. Stop valuing freedom so much.


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    Indeed. People wish to have the best of both worlds and chant about sexual liberation and freedom, have topless protests, push sexualization and objectifying in the media, but don't want to address the consequences that stem from it. Society can't put sex on this incredibly high pedestal and then act surprised when they see such things as cat-calling, sexual harassment, single mothers, and unwanted pregnancies happening on such a frequent basis. I feel traditional values like commitment or saving yourself for marriage are being lost because of this, since we're now living in an environment where high-school students can find themselves being mocked and shamed for being virgins and so forth.


    What really perplexes me is that some people acknowledge the harm this hypersexualization is doing but at the same time advocate for those very things they know are causing harm.
    You see it in this very thread. A few people outright said they know it's harmful, but people should be able to do it anyway. Seems very odd to me.
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    majority of the population is catholic
    most ppl are mestizo
    followed by kriol
    then maya
    then garifuna
    then east indian
    and then Arabs, Asians, and Mennonites

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    How is exposed skin "highly serialized imagery" your facts support rape culture is real with a link to pornography and using sex to sell etc.

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    Some things are ingrained in human culture and maybe even physiology. For example, men are generally more wired to work and less wired to take care of internal domestic affairs than women. Instead of fighting against it we should use it to our advantage.

    No doubt there's a lot of sexism abound though.
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    hypersexualization =/= exposed skin

    there are even cultures were exposed skin is completely normal.

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    How is exposed skin "highly serialized imagery" your facts support rape culture is real with a link to pornography and using sex to sell etc.
    What do you think about short shorts?

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    hypersexualization =/= exposed skin

    there are even cultures were exposed skin is completely normal.
    Indeed. Those are cultures that are generally considered barbaris and underdeveloped. We shouldn't be taking them for a model of how to run a successful society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pimp of Pimps View Post
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    What do you think about short shorts?
    it depends. If they are well fitting short pants, I don't see the problem. If they don't fit you and all your ass is hanging out and your labia is in full outline, I would suggest you go change and rethink your life choices.

    all I'm saying is that someone dressed like that, isn't any more likely to get raped than someone dressed in a snow suit.

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    No. That's basically saying women who dress revealingly are literally asking to be raped.

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    it depends. If they are well fitting short pants, I don't see the problem. If they don't fit you and all your ass is hanging out and your labia is in full outline, I would suggest you go change and rethink your life choices.

    all I'm saying is that someone dressed like that, isn't any more likely to get raped than someone dressed in a snow suit.
    Short shorts are distracting. Men are extremely visual and I guarantee you something as seemingly harmless as girls wearing short shorts in summer is rewiring male brains en masse to ever so slightly objectify women more. Short shorts, bikinis etc are all having a negative impact on society and are themselves a negative impact of the media pushing the idea of women beings bags of meat.

    Depends on the specific situation, but that's not what's being discussed anyway.


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    No. That's basically saying women who dress revealingly are literally asking to be raped.
    Not really. A person who decides to take a shortcut through a dangerous neighborhood while wearing a gold watch isn't asking to be raped, he just isn't being very smart. Women who wear immodest clothing and men who support such actions aren't asking for rape to happen, but whether they know or or not they are contributing to sexual assault and violence.
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  16. #56
    Whether or not women dress appropriately in the setting they find themselves in does not mean we should victim blame to any extent. This is an issue of morality and sexual assault is emotionally traumatizing.

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    Whether or not women dress appropriately in the setting they find themselves in does not mean we should victim blame to any extent. This is an issue of morality and sexual assault is emotionally traumatizing.
    That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
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  18. #58
    Honestly the more I think about it the less I think that this is true. Lots of conservative cultures have high rape rates. Watching porn or having a sexualized culture does not contribute much to rape if at all.

    I never see a hot chick and think I wanna rape her lol.

    Rape rates in india for example are very high. Patriarchy and a backwards culture contributes more to high rape rates. Also helps if rapists get a slap on the wrist or are even rewards

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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5344900/

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    @Halaros 536; This is the article I was talking about.

    What do you guys make of this research?

    @R; Given your opinion on the matter, I'm curious to what you think about this research.
    i have to admit that i do not care enough for the topic to engage in an actual debate over it. i have my opinion on it and when someone calls me out on it i defend my views.

    but i dont really care enough to invest time and effort on it of my free will

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