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    Being Gay - Choice, Genetics or Environmentally?

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    I don't think of it being decided by one's choice as much as the genetic, hormonal, experiential or environmental influences. Of course biological based theories back this up.
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    Does it matter?

    But to be serious, I think GP changed his name so genetics weren't involved, more like Modetics.




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    there are people who are gay by choice and people who have a genetic disposition towards that which is further amped by being heavily influenced by environmental/social factors.

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    There is obviously a biological factor but I think about 80% is your environment and your choices.
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    Genetic.

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    Why would anyone choose to be gay and treated worse than a regular person?


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    Why would anyone choose to be gay and treated worse than a regular person?
    As if people always do what is in their best interest and never hurt themselves in anyway. I would guess it's a subconcious thing, just like the craving for a drug that will ruin your life and kill you in the long run.


    That doesn't mean we should throw our hands up and quit.
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    Why would anyone choose to be gay and treated worse by nonwhite people?
    FTFY.

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    Were there cavemen faggots?
    Im thinking its environmental.


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    Neither, its primarily a questi9n of social conditioning as evidenced by how sexual preferences vary from society to society and time period to time period. Bisexuality was normal in classical Rome, but isn't t9day for example. There are of course also pr9bably some genetic factors, but I don't think they're the primary cause or sexual preference, especially not for gays, it would be more arguable that nature has a big role in making people straight though.

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    As if people always do what is in their best interest and never hurt themselves in anyway. I would guess it's a subconcious thing, just like the craving for a drug that will ruin your life and kill you in the long run.


    That doesn't mean we should throw our hands up and quit.
    if its subconscious isn't that as good as saying its not a choice? Also, people do drugs because they're fun and using the wires your brain into wanting to use them more, just not the best metaphor is all. There's no real reason to want to be gay in and of itself, outside may be wanting to be unique or something

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    Neither, its primarily a questi9n of social conditioning as evidenced by how sexual preferences vary from society to society and time period to time period. Bisexuality was normal in classical Rome, but isn't t9day for example. There are of course also pr9bably some genetic factors, but I don't think they're the primary cause or sexual preference, especially not for gays, it would be more arguable that nature has a big role in making people straight though.
    Social conditioning is clearly not the only factor or else we wouldn't have closeted homosexuals

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    I dont really think it matters why people are gay, we should just accept that they are gay.

    But I think its largely genetic

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    Social conditioning is clearly not the only factor or else we wouldn't have closeted homosexuals
    that's not even a rebuttal, you don't understand how complex social conditioning is, one can he gay due to their social experience while at the same time being ostracized for their gayness and wanting to hide it. Both the conditioning and the conditioner is something entirely unconscious in the case of modern society when it comes to homosexuality. Also, the very fact that homosexuality isn't common in our era and that many who are gay are closeted has a lot to do with that its not socially acceptable(fully), it makes a lot of sense.

    A comparable example is sociopathy, there are sociopaths who were born that way, and than those that became that way, in the latter case the sociopath can still be closeted and a rare occurrence due to its unacceptance in our society, but still exist as a result of that same society. Being closeted and being a result of your social conditioning aren't mutually exclusive.

    Besides, I said it was primarily social conditioning,not 100 percent. Though one thing to keep in mind is that biology and environment both play a role in changing and redetermining eachother. So lets say society biologically is predisposed towards heterosexualtiy, that will expect social constructs and the reverse is also true, what must be understand is that the cause and effect relationship isn't straightforward though.

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    Neither, its primarily a questi9n of social conditioning as evidenced by how sexual preferences vary from society to society and time period to time period. Bisexuality was normal in classical Rome, but isn't t9day for example. There are of course also pr9bably some genetic factors, but I don't think they're the primary cause or sexual preference, especially not for gays, it would be more arguable that nature has a big role in making people straight though.

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    if its subconscious isn't that as good as saying its not a choice? Also, people do drugs because they're fun and using the wires your brain into wanting to use them more, just not the best metaphor is all. There's no real reason to want to be gay in and of itself, outside may be wanting to be unique or something
    It's not a concious choice but a choice nontheless. Also it doesn't mean you can't change it, dopamine is a natural drug in the brain that people get hooked on. For whatever reason, some people get that reward from other dudes.
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    It's environmental primarily. It being a choice doesn't make sense and it being genetic makes even less sense.

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    Social conditioning is clearly not the only factor or else we wouldn't have closeted homosexuals
    Don't see why not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heart View Post
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    Besides, I said it was primarily social conditioning,not 100 percent. Though one thing to keep in mind is that biology and environment both play a role in changing and redetermining eachother. So lets say society biologically is predisposed towards heterosexualtiy, that will expect social constructs and the reverse is also true, what must be understand is that the cause and effect relationship isn't straightforward though.
    So basically we agree but you had to go and sperg out

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    It's not a concious choice but a choice nontheless. Also it doesn't mean you can't change it, dopamine is a natural drug in the brain that people get hooked on. For whatever reason, some people get that reward from other dudes.
    choice is inherently conscious, how can you make a choice that you're not even aware of? There is no you involved, just subconscious processes.

    But the question is why to people get a dopamine rush or pleasure from the same sex, but why they act on it. The point is that they're not choosing to feel pleasure from the same sex just like you aren't choosing to like girls. That said, choice does play a role, since you choose to act on your sexuality which further reinforces it and vice versa.

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    So basically we agree but you had to go and sperg out
    I said it was primarily social conditioning but not entirely and that biology obviously had some role in it from the beginning


    The reason I say its primarily social is because sexual preferences is shown to vary based upon society showing a visible link that's seemingly independent of genetics because its not like we've found generic differences in those societies directly related to sexuality as far as I know.

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