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    Jellal has flight

    Binding

    Multiple elements

    Sleep magic

    Reflection Magic

    Illusions
    Versatility=/=Overall combat strength.

    Big Mom/Doflamingo are both much more versatile than Whitebeard, but it doesn't mean they're stronger.

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    Marco takes it. Jellal can't bring him down.


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    What's Marco got against binding magic?

    Also better feats in general. All Marco has is regen


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    What binding magic? Has that magic ever worked on someone on Marcos lvl?


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    Binding magic he used successfully on someone a lot stronger than him


    And Marco doesn't have magic so he has no resistance to sleep or illusion magic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax View Post
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    Binding magic he used successfully on someone a lot stronger than him


    And Marco doesn't have magic so he has no resistance to sleep or illusion magic.
    Considering that Devil Fruits and magic apparently don't equalize, you're actually right

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    Considering that Devil Fruits and magic apparently don't equalize, you're actually right
    yea exactly, he even win against superman


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    >Comparing Marco to Superman

    FT spells are based around quantity to to a certain level

    Or in cross verse battles energies that get treated the same as MP


    OP does not possess an energy to be equalize. Giving it the perk just cause it biased and unfair seeing as other verses don't get scaling to something like Haki


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    Rax is actually mostly making sense here.

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    Has Jellal ever used sleep magic in combat against a powerful opponent?

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    Has Jellal ever used sleep magic in combat against a powerful opponent?
    No he didn't. So if there was equalization, then Jellal's sleep magic would be useless. But since Devil Fruits don't equalize to Magic, it doesn't matter how powerful the opponent is.

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    No limit fallacy.

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    No limit fallacy.
    How so? First of all, Jellal and Marco aren't that far apart stat wise.

    And as far as I know, it would be an NLF only if equalization took place.

    It's similar to the situation of soul crush in Bleach without equalization.

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    power isn’t even relevant to sleep magic

    it’s stamina based
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    How so? First of all, Jellal and Marco aren't that far apart stat wise.

    And as far as I know, it would be an NLF only if equalization took place.

    It's similar to the situation of soul crush in Bleach without equalization.
    They are though. Marco is Island+ and Jellal is like Mountain.

    You don't need equalizing for that. No limit fallacy is basically saying something is going to work because it hasn't shown a limit. Which is what you are doing here.

    Jellal is going to need feats of effecting someone at Marco's level(especially with the stamina feats he gets scaled to)with his sleep magic to say it is going to play a role here. Which he hasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flow View Post
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    They are though. Marco is Island+ and Jellal is like Mountain.

    You don't need equalizing for that. No limit fallacy is basically saying something is going to work because it hasn't shown a limit. Which is what you are doing here.

    Jellal is going to need feats of effecting someone at Marco's level(especially with the stamina feats he gets scaled to)with his sleep magic to say it is going to play a role here. Which he hasn't.
    But what is the "limit"? The limit usually plays a role when a character's "energy"(magic power, ki, whatever else) is stronger than the user's. But since there is no equalization, that means that there is no "level" comparison. Marco doesn't have more "energy" than Jellal, because he has no "energy" unit.

    The limit in this situation would be BoS Erza, since it affected her. And BoS Erza's magic power > Marco's "magic power", since no equalization.
    One Piece fans were against equalization so that Devil Fruits would work on characters despite their superior "energy", but it works the other way around as well.

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    You don't understand how equalization works.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellinger View Post
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    You don't understand how equalization works.
    Enlighten me then

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    This is spite, jellal literally gets turned to a bloody paste. op characters have insane stamina so it's nlf to assume sleep magic would work.

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    Just to make myself clear, I agree with the stamina point. So the "sleep" spell won't play a huge role here.

    But I still stand by my "equalization" point. If Marco didn't have good stamina feats, he wouldn't be able to resist it.

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