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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgolen View Post
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    There is no way he gets outsmarted by Ouhon with 93 knowledge
    Kanki outsmarted Genbou, Ouhon outsmarted GHM and Reiou etc.

    I think there's more to it than simply a stat level. The situation, numbers, surprise element etc are all factors. If Chougaryu doesn't know how great Ouhon is, he is a disadvantage if Ouhon throws out a strategy worthy of the Q6/Z3.

    It isn't a case of X with a 95 will always beat Y with a 92.

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    Well Chougaryu could be 89/93/93 and Gyou'ou 95/88/90 and that would put the two of them at a similar tier without making Gyou'ou an idiot. There are multiple combinations
    No vassal is having stats above 270...or just stats these high in general. Hara's been consistent about this, none of the HKs or even Keisha got that high, nevermind these clowns

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    The same Bananji that overhelmed Ouhon in a duel and humiliated Ousen's best warrior?
    Bananji never humiliated Akou

    And Batei overwhelmed Shin anyway

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    Bananji OVERWHELMED Ouhon?



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  4. #64
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    And Batei overwhelmed Shin anyway
    Shin was on foot so ...

    Give him a horse and Shin destroys Batei anytime. We're talking about someone who was able to fight seriously with Gaimou here and Gaimou was 97str

  5. #65
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    No vassal is having stats above 270...or just stats these high in general. Hara's been consistent about this, none of the HKs or even Keisha got that high, nevermind these clowns
    Then change them to 89/91/90 and 95/87/88, for example. As I said there are many combinations. And to be honest no reason for these vasals not to be above 270, after all Renpa was a martial monster and had 4 vassals, while RSJ only had two and couldn´t fight at all.

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    still nothing?

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Stark777 View Post
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    Then change them to 89/91/90 and 95/87/88, for example. As I said there are many combinations. And to be honest no reason for these vasals not to be above 270, after all Renpa was a martial monster and had 4 vassals, while RSJ only had two and couldn´t fight at all.
    Renpa should be >RSJ overall, more hype and implied to be the leader of the Z3 in Chouhei

    Wouldn't be surprised if his subs were an overall better package also- Chougaryu might have Rinko's wits and Gyouun his strength, but they are weaker than a HK individually.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma View Post
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    Renpa should be >RSJ overall, more hype and implied to be the leader of the Z3 in Chouhei

    Wouldn't be surprised if his subs were an overall better package also- Chougaryu might have Rinko's wits and Gyouun his strength, but they are weaker than a HK individually.
    Going by the stats Rinko was the least knowledgable of the 4HK tho

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma View Post
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    Bananji never humiliated Akou
    He won a clash in a situation where Akou tried a surpire attack on him and had a mount advantage.

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    chapter is out btw guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma View Post
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    Renpa should be >RSJ overall, more hype and implied to be the leader of the Z3 in Chouhei

    Wouldn't be surprised if his subs were an overall better package also- Chougaryu might have Rinko's wits and Gyouun his strength, but they are weaker than a HK individually.
    That would make RSJ's a far weaker army than Renpa's, the difference between them would be too big IMO. Even if Renpa was the strongest GH the other two should be at least close to Renpa.


    Edit: after reading the last chapter it seems that RSJ had 10 Generals and not only 2, so these remaining 2 don't need to be that strong to compensate with Renpa's 4HK
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  12. #72
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    He won a clash in a situation where Akou tried a surpire attack on him and had a mount advantage.
    They had an equal exchange and landed a small wound on each other

    it's not unrealistic if both BNJ and Batei have 91 martial scores, Akou is a 90 and Gyouun is a 93.

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    That would make RSJ's a far weaker army than Renpa's, the difference between them would be too big IMO. Even if Renpa was the strongest GH the other two should be at least close to Renpa.


    Edit: after reading the last chapter it seems that RSJ had 10 Generals and not only 2, so these remaining 2 don't need to be that strong to compensate with Renpa's 4HK
    The fact they are only alive from hiding in central Zhao all this time while the other 8 died like fodder doesn't speak too well of their abilities.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma View Post
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    They had an equal exchange and landed a small wound on each other

    it's not unrealistic if both BNJ and Batei have 91 martial scores, Akou is a 90 and Gyouun is a 93.

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    The fact they are only alive from hiding in central Zhao all this time while the other 8 died like fodder doesn't speak too well of their abilities.
    They hid because RSJ asked them to do so and the other 8 didn't die like fodder, they basically committed suicide. That doesn't mean that they where weak at all.

  14. #74
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    They had an equal exchange and landed a small wound on each other
    Bananji's hit was strong enough to move Akou together with his horse and make a wound on his cheek, while Bananji himself didn't suffer any injury. And like I said, all this happened in situation where Akou should have an advantage.

    I don't see how this was an equal exchange at all.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Cichy View Post
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    Bananji's hit was strong enough to move Akou together with his horse and make a wound on his cheek, while Bananji himself didn't suffer any injury. And like I said, all this happened in situation where Akou should have an advantage.

    I don't see how this was an equal exchange at all.
    Bananji had a small cut either on his cheek or armour IIRC. It wasn't so different to Tou vs Ranbihaku (surprise attack). Bananji came out of it looking better though, because Akou was mounted and also trembled iirc.

  16. #76
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    Bananji had a small cut either on his cheek or armour IIRC.
    Didn't noticed that cut there. Fair enough.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Cichy View Post
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    Bananji's hit was strong enough to move Akou together with his horse and make a wound on his cheek, while Bananji himself didn't suffer any injury. And like I said, all this happened in situation where Akou should have an advantage.

    I don't see how this was an equal exchange at all.
    the reason akou's horse moved like that is cuz bananji's glaive skidded past akou's after initial contact.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tbn7EsvhOf...0/0526-012.png

    if you look at the panel again, akou didnt fully swing his glaive while bananji did, and since bananji didnt overpower akou since akou got sent forward instead of backwards, that'd only be possible if bananji's glaive skidded past his after initial contact. they both trembled and had a cut after.

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