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    Could Barristan have killed the other 5 Kingsguard like he boasted?

    I've seen some people argue that he could. IMO he would have had no chance, Arthur Dayne had better odds than that at the Tower of Joy and he still died, and we know Dayne with Dawn is better than Barristan. Barristan was also quite a bit past his prime at that point.

    I could see him taking out a couple of guys like Blount and Trant before going down, but that's about it. What do you all think?

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    I really doubt it, but they probably believed him why is why they backed down like chumps

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    who were the other kingsguards again?

    i remember some of them being very mediocre, and idk if it was the case with arthur dayne


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    He'd probably take a few of them. 3-4. But the last one would take him IMO.

    He'd lose quickly if Hound could get there asap, cos Hound + 1 KG kill him for sure.

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    who were the other kingsguards again?

    i remember some of them being very mediocre, and idk if it was the case with arthur dayne
    Boros Blount, who was pretty useless, Preston Greenfield and Meryn Trant who were average, Arys Oakheart was considered a decent KG, and Mandon Moore who Jaime Lannister thought was the second most dangerous KG after himself.

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    Yes. Sort of. I believe he could mortally wound all of them before biting the dust.

    Given how he was their boss I assume he knew most of their style.


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    Yes. Sort of. I believe he could mortally wound all of them before biting the dust.

    Given how he was their boss I assume he knew most of their style.
    Arthur Dayne had better odds than that and couldn't do it. And Arthur Dayne is better than Barristan.

    Conversely, the other KG would also know Barristan's style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirao View Post
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    Boros Blount, who was pretty useless, Preston Greenfield and Meryn Trant who were average, Arys Oakheart was considered a decent KG, and Mandon Moore who Jaime Lannister thought was the second most dangerous KG after himself.
    ok

    what about the KGs at the time of the tower of joy facts?


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    ok

    what about the KGs at the time of the tower of joy facts?
    They don't have many individual feats to speak of, but Aerys' KG was considered to be one of the best in history (and Robert's was considered to be a joke, in comparison), so Whent and Hightower should be exceptional fighters, I would put them around Balon Swann's level if I had to guess (which means, not truly elite like Jaime but can at least give trouble toanyone). Hightower was also noted for his strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirao View Post
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    They don't have many individual feats to speak of, but Aerys' KG was considered to be one of the best in history, so Whent and Hightower should be exceptional fighters, I would put them around Balon Swann's level if I had to guess (which means, not truly elite like Jaime but can at least give trouble toanyone). Hightower was also noted for his strength.
    so don't you think barristan might have had a shot, despite being notoriously worse than dayne?

    personally i think he might lose just because jaime is one. Both the others i can see him besting with good likeliness.


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    so don't you think barristan might have had a shot, despite being notoriously worse than dayne?

    personally i think he might lose just because jaime is one. Both the others i can see him besting with good likeliness.
    No way. As I've said, if Arthur Dayne with 2 good warriors at his side couldn't do it, I don't think Barristan with worse odds could do it. None of Eddard Stark's companions or himself were considered great warriors that I remember, and at least Moore and Oakheart have both been hyped to be at least above average.

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    No way. He is too old for that shit.

    Also i don't think he said that in books. It is outrageous claim to be made..
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    Of course not.

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    Boros Blount, who was pretty useless, Preston Greenfield and Meryn Trant who were average, Arys Oakheart was considered a decent KG, and Mandon Moore who Jaime Lannister thought was the second most dangerous KG after himself.
    Mandon Mooore was pretty damn deadly, I remember someone trying to grab Joffrey at the riot and Mandon instantly cut off that peasant's arm in a split second.

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    Not a chance. Lets think this through.

    Under the circumstances of the Tower of Joy fight, Dayne was superior to Selmy (as he was wielding Dawn, and as GRRM himself stated, with Dawn he is >Selmy) and while he, Hightower and Whent were badly outnumbered, the odds were a lot more favourable for them then they would have been for Selmy (7 to 3 vs 5 to 1).

    Additionally, the 5 men that fought alongside Eddard Stark and Howland were just your standard run of the mill knight, and despite this, Aerys 3 still lost in the end. While the knights that comprised Roberts kingsguard were a far cry from the kingsguard of old, they were still all well above average swordsman, and remember, this is a Selmy well past his prime.

    In summary, If a fighter far superior to Selmy (at the time he defected), up against better odds AND weaker opposition couldn't get the job done, then Selmy has absolutely zero chance






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