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    Fruitless Katakuri vs Fruitless Marco

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    Katakuri for me.

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    Marco.





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    Ends in a draw.

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    Even if we assume both are equal overall (very unlikely), Marco would win in this scenario because he's primarily a physical fighter and Katakuri is not. For this scenario to end in a draw, Katakuri would need to be stronger than Marco under normal circumstances.
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    Marco is a pure CQC fighter. In a straight up brawl he wins.

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    Katakuri imo

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    Katakuri is very strong but Marco specializes more in physical strength like said.

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    Obviously Marco. Kata was unable to get out of Luffy's grip and didn't overpower EG that much with is own EG so he could't do shit with just his bare hands.

    Marco obviously could since his DF doesn't enhance his physical strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pimp of Pimps View Post
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    Even if we assume both are equal overall (very unlikely), Marco would win in this scenario because he's primarily a physical fighter and Katakuri is not. For tis scenario to end in a draw, Katakuri would need to be stronger than Marco under normal circumstances.
    Thats a pretty flawed logic. Thats like saying kimbo vs Anderson Silva are equal overall kimbo wins because its a street fight

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    Thats a pretty flawed logic. Thats like saying kimbo vs Anderson Silva are equal overall kimbo wins because its a street fight
    Nothing flawed about his logic.

    Katakuri uses his fruit to increase his attack power. If he can't do that how is he supposed to match the attack power with a guy who can do more than he can with his fruit with his bare hands? Only way is if even without his own version of EG his punches are stronger than Marco. Does that sound right to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayum View Post
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    Obviously Marco. Kata was unable to get out of Luffy's grip and didn't overpower EG that much with is own EG so he could't do shit with just his bare hands.

    Marco obviously could since his DF doesn't enhance his physical strength.
    He didn't overpower EG that much ?!





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    marco most probably


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    He didn't overpower EG that much ?!
    Luffy is still standing. He got knocked back and hurt but wasn't some crazy embarrassment like Doffy being blown away by Kong Gun, Rhino Schneider, or Leo Bazooka. Not blown away like Hody&Caesar. We're talking about Marco here who sent two Admirals flying through their guards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayum View Post
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    Luffy is still standing. He got knocked back and hurt but wasn't some crazy embarrassment like Doffy being blown away by Kong Gun, Rhino Schneider, or Leo Bazooka. Not blown away like Hody&Caesar. We're talking about Marco here who sent two Admirals flying through their guards.
    Katakuri completely overpowered Luffy in his own game,using his own move.He sent him flying like a bitch.

    Also the only guy Marco broke his guard was Kizaru and that was mostly because Kizaru was in a really disadvantageous position and he still got back up in a split second.By your logic Luffy pushed back Fujitora through his guard,is he on par with Marco now ?

    Marco never broke through Aokiji's guard.

    Also aren't Zoans supposed to give you a physical boost ? So yeah Marco is also losing firepower without his fruit.





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    Marco can have this if he played his cards well.

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    Katakuri completely overpowered Luffy in his own game,
    i would have saved this for when the next chapter is released.

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    Marco mid or low high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellinger View Post
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    Katakuri completely overpowered Luffy in his own game,using his own move.He sent him flying like a bitch.

    Also the only guy Marco broke his guard was Kizaru and that was mostly because Kizaru was in a really disadvantageous position and he still got back up in a split second.By your logic Luffy pushed back Fujitora through his guard,is he on par with Marco now ?

    Marco never broke through Aokiji's guard.

    Also aren't Zoans supposed to give you a physical boost ? So yeah Marco is also losing firepower without his fruit.

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    Katakuri completely overpowered Luffy in his own game,using his own move.He sent him flying like a bitch.

    Also the only guy Marco broke his guard was Kizaru and that was mostly because Kizaru was in a really disadvantageous position and he still got back up in a split second.By your logic Luffy pushed back Fujitora through his guard,is he on par with Marco now ?

    Marco never broke through Aokiji's guard.

    Also aren't Zoans supposed to give you a physical boost ? So yeah Marco is also losing firepower without his fruit.
    Sent him flying like Luffy did Sai or DCJ did Ideo&Jean Ango. Not some crazy over powering. Guess the disagreement is my adjectives not being strong enough to describe what happened.

    We know that scene was nonsense since EG couldn't budge Cracker. No different than Kata being unable to get out of Luffy's grip. Also a surprise shot. Kizaru actually resisted the kick before Marco pushed more with his leg to launch him so it wasn't even the flying start that sent Kizaru downward.

    Yes he did. He put his sword up in time to block and the shot still broke it and sent him threw some buildings.

    No. Turning you into a strong animal gives you a boost. A mouse zoan wouldn't just magically boost its user's strength. Marco turns into a bird so what boost do you think he's getting? Only boost to his attack power comes from flying at high speeds but overall his fruit only provides claws, regen, and flight. Pekoms would never turn into a ninja turtle to get a boost in strength, his DF is good only for its shell. Doubt an unawakened Koala zoan is strong either.

    What are you trying to argue here? Kata did not do what I expected a first mate to do with a mid-tier move of theirs. That is my opinion. Marco can match Kata's EG with his normal punches and kicks so he'd win if Kata was reduced to just his fists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayum View Post
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    Sent him flying like Luffy did Sai or DCJ did Ideo&Jean Ango. Not some crazy over powering. Guess the disagreement is my adjectives not being strong enough to describe what happened.

    We know that scene was nonsense since EG couldn't budge Cracker. No different than Kata being unable to get out of Luffy's grip. Also a surprise shot. Kizaru actually resisted the kick before Marco pushed more with his leg to launch him so it wasn't even the flying start that sent Kizaru downward.

    Yes he did. He put his sword up in time to block and the shot still broke it and sent him threw some buildings.

    No. Turning you into a strong animal gives you a boost. A mouse zoan wouldn't just magically boost its user's strength. Marco turns into a bird so what boost do you think he's getting? Only boost to his attack power comes from flying at high speeds but overall his fruit only provides claws, regen, and flight. Pekoms would never turn into a ninja turtle to get a boost in strength, his DF is good only for its shell. Doubt an unawakened Koala zoan is strong either.

    What are you trying to argue here? Kata did not do what I expected a first mate to do with a mid-tier move of theirs. That is my opinion. Marco can match Kata's EG with his normal punches and kicks so he'd win if Kata was reduced to just his fists.
    He turns into a mythological type of bird which (within the OP universe as oda sees it) could easily possess super levels of strength. Not saying I think katakuri wins this because as has been correctly pointed out by others, marco is more of a cqc fighter than he is so by simple deduction fruitless marco>fruitless katakuri, but it could very well be true that when stripped of his fruit marco loses a certain amount of power.

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