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    What do you think about Robert Baratheon?

    Had a discussion with my bro and we discussed Robert for a bit and what we thought about him and i want to hear your thoughts about him.

    Personally i don't think he was a horrible human being like Joffrey and Cersei but he was a very flawed one. Wanting to kill all the targs was too extreme off him. Him getting his revenge on Rhaegar could had been enough but instead he went on to want to kill all the targs.

    I would had been vary off them aswell after everything that happened in Robert's rebellion but that does not really justify wanting to get rid off them, he should had tried to get rid off the ones that actually cause danger not the group as a whole since there are some targs that can be perfectly innocent.

    Him having kids with a bunch off woman is very questionable but on the other hand that is a rather common thing for the times GOT is supposed to be based on.
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    Had a discussion with my bro and we discussed Robert for a bit and what we thought about him and wanted to hear your thoughts about him?

    Personally i don't think he was a horrible human being like Joffrey and Cersei but he was a very flawed one. Wanting to kill all the targs was too extreme off him. Him getting his revenge on Rhaegar could had been enough but instead he went on to want to kill all the targs.

    I would had been vary off them aswell after everything that happened in Robert's rebellion but that does not really justify wanting to get rid off them, he should had tried to get rid off the ones that actually cause danger not the group as a whole since there are some targs that can be perfectly innocent.

    He also cheated a lot even when he was not married with Cersei/was promised to Lyanna, cheating is never a good thing and he definitely could had tried to control his obsession with woman. Him cheating on Cersei was bad but kind off justified since Cersei cheated on him anyway and was bad to him but him cheating on Lyanna was not justifiable at all since Lyanna would had been a perfectly good wife.
    He didn't cheat on Lyanna, being enganged in Westeros just means you agree to marry someone, he was allowed to have sex with anyone he wanted and no would would care, but everyone would be pissed if he married someone else.

    It's different from real life.

    Also Cersei fucked Jaime on her wedding night so I dont feel bad for robert cheating on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ava View Post
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    He didn't cheat on Lyanna, being enganged in Westeros just means you agree to marry someone, he was allowed to have sex with anyone he wanted and no would would care, but everyone would be pissed if he married someone else.

    It's different from real life.

    Also Cersei fucked Jaime on her wedding night so I dont feel bad for robert cheating on her.
    Yeah i can forgive him for cheating on Cersei since Cersei was never any better then Robert in their marriage. It was still not a good thing but atleast understandable.

    It's true that he was not married to Lyanna but i'm not confident at all that he wouldn't had continued to father bastards like he did when he was simply promised to her. It's true that he loved her but that did not seem to stop his obsession with woman.

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    He was very flawed, but by no means evil like Cersei and Joffrey.

    Also, he never cheated. Westerosi customs dictate than men are allowed to have sex with other than their betrothed or even their wives. Perhaps it's not seen as honorable, but it's not considered any breach of contract. Most women would have been perfectly okay with it. Kinda like how some women in the West today are okay with their partners watching porn.
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    He was very flawed, but by no means evil like Cersei and Joffrey.

    Also, he never cheated. Westerosi customs dictate than men are allowed to have sex with other than their betrothed or even their wives. Perhaps it's not seen as honorable, but it's not considered any breach of contract. Most women would have been perfectly okay with it. Kinda like how some women in the West today are okay with their partners watching porn.
    I know simply the act off sex is not considered cheating in GOT but Robert had bastards with other woman. Is that not considered as cheating?

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    But he had bastards with other woman. Is that not considered as cheating?
    No.

    We have to understand that the concept of men, especially nobles, limiting themselves to only one woman is mostly a modern thing. Polygamy and/or concubinage has been the norm throughout most of human history. Westeros is based on the feudal era, so it's no different in that regard.
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    No.

    We have to understand that the concept of men, especially nobles, limiting themselves to only one woman is mostly a modern thing. Polygamy and/or concubinage has been the norm throughout most of human history. Westeros is based on the feudal era, so it's no different in that regard.


    Well that's interesting. So if Jon was actually Ned's bastard that wouldn't had been cheating on Ned's part. He would just had been breaking his honor with having kids with another woman?

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    Catelyn stark goes into detail about this in the books

    she said she wouldn't care if Ned had 100 bastards, as long as they lived far away

    her issue with jon was because she had to see him everyday and she had a fear that he might try and usurp Robb's place as lord of winterfell one day (she compared jon to the blackfyres and how they tried stealing the throne from the targaryens)

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    Well i assumed that cheating was a pretty big problem in GOT but apparently not then? You learn something new every day.

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    Cersei is a bish

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    “What of Jon Snow, my lord?” Maester Luwin asked.

    Catelyn tensed at the mention of the name. Ned felt the anger in her, and pulled away.

    Many men fathered bastards. Catelyn had grown up with that knowledge. It came as no surprise
    to her, in the first year of her marriage, to learn that Ned had fathered a child on some girl chance
    met on campaign. He had a man’s needs, after all, and they had spent that year apart, Ned off at
    war in the south while she remained safe in her father’s castle at Riverrun. Her thoughts were
    more of Robb, the infant at her breast, than of the husband she scarcely knew. He was welcome
    to whatever solace he might find between battles. And if his seed quickened, she expected he
    would see to the child’s needs.

    He did more than that. The Starks were not like other men. Ned brought his bastard home with
    him, and called him “son” for all the north to see. When the wars were over at last, and Catelyn
    rode to Winterfell, Jon and his wet nurse had already taken up residence.

    That cut deep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ava View Post
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    Yeah that actually more or less sums it up. Fathering bastards was a normal thing back then so Robert's constant cheating was not that terrible but the reason the partners had issues with bastards still was because they could have a negative impact on the family.
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    Interesting, I didn't know that wasn't considered cheating in Westeros

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    Yeah that actually more or less sums it up. Fathering bastards was a normal thing back then so Robert's constant cheating was not that terrible but the reason the partners had issues with bastards still was because they could have a negative impact on the family.
    Cersei and Tywin actually went so far as to kill the bastard that robert made at casterly rock with a serving girl

    and then she had the serving her sold into slavery, robert never found out about that though


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ava View Post
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    Cersei and Tywin actually went to far as to kill the bastard that robert made at casterly rock with a serving girl

    and then she had the serving her sold into slavery, robert never found out about that though

    Yeah it was obviously when they kept the child close that it became a problem. They wouldn't had done anything if he had given birth to a bastard in some random place but him giving birth to a bastard right on their home turf was a big problem.

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    Yeah it was obviously when they kept the child close that it became a problem. They wouldn't had done anything if he had given birth to a bastard in some random place but him giving birth to a bastard right on their home turf was a big problem.
    its because a bastard by robert had a better claim to the throne then joffrey because he was also a bastard, so cersei tried killing any bastard she could get her hands on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ava View Post
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    its because a bastard by robert had a better claim to the throne then joffrey because he was also a bastard, so cersei tried killing any bastard she could get her hands on
    That too which explains her actions off trying to kill every bastard later on in the books.

    So it was not the cheating that was a problem it was that the bastard itself could become a big problem to the family especially if they were close or had a chance off getting into the royal family.
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    Another quote for anyone interested.

    Whoever Jon’s mother had been, Ned must have loved her fiercely, for nothing Catelyn said
    would persuade him to send the boy away. It was the one thing she could never forgive him. She
    had come to love her husband with all her heart, but she had never found it in her to love Jon.

    She might have overlooked a dozen bastards for Ned’s sake, so long as they were out of sight.
    Jon was never out of sight, and as he grew, he looked more like Ned than any of the trueborn
    sons she bore him. Somehow that made it worse. “Jon must go,” she said now.
    “He and Robb are close,” Ned said. “I had hoped...”
    “He cannot stay here,” Catelyn said, cutting him off. “He is your son, not mine. I will not have
    him.” It was hard, she knew, but no less the truth. Ned would do the boy no kindness by leaving
    him here at Winterfell.

    The look Ned gave her was anguished. “You know I cannot take him south. There will be no
    place for him at court. A boy with a bastard’s name... you know what they will say of him. He
    will be shunned.”

    Catelyn armored her heart against the mute appeal in her husband’s eyes. “They say your friend
    Robert has fathered a dozen bastards himself.”

    “And none of them has ever been seen at court!” Ned blazed. “The Lannister woman has seen
    to that. How can you be so damnably cruel, Catelyn? He is only a boy. He-”

    His fury was on him. He might have said more, and worse, but Maester Luwin cut in. “Another
    solution presents itself,” he said, his voice quiet. “Your brother Benjen came to me about Jon a
    few days ago. It seems the boy aspires to take the black.”
    - - - Updated - - -

    Ned looked shocked. “He asked to join the Night’s Watch?”

    Catelyn said nothing. Let Ned work it out in his own mind; her voice would not be welcome
    now. Yet gladly would she have kissed the maester just then. His was the perfect solution.

    Benjen Stark was a Sworn Brother. Jon would be a son to him, the child he would never have.
    And in time the boy would take the oath as well. He would father no sons who might someday
    contest with Catelyn’s own grandchildren for Winterfell
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    Robert was fine, but he was never meant to be a king or a leader; he was a warrior. He was a simple man with simple pleasures and you can't really fault him for following thos urges.

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    He was greedy, and broken.

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