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    Big Mom is the most complete and broken fighter in the series.This is ridiculous.





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    The series simply is too huge to focus on one thing.He has admitted himself that much.
    That's what happens when you expand so far without thinking ahead about it



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax, The Hero From Beyond View Post
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    That's what happens when you expand so far without thinking ahead about it

    Ehh ? He knows exactly how to progress things.You don't see his story telling failing or the major plot points being abstract and dumb.Oda just chose to lessen the fight's duration in order to finish OP without having it end in another 20 years.Good or not,it doesn't matter.Nearly every series with less chapters than OP started off paneling fights and showing less much earlier than Oda did.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellinger View Post
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    Ehh ? He knows exactly how to progress things.You don't see his story telling failing or the major plot points being abstract and dumb.Oda just chose to lessen the fight's duration in order to finish OP without having it end in another 20 years.Good or not,it doesn't matter.Nearly every series with less chapters than OP started off paneling fights and showing less much earlier than Oda did.
    Not really. He clearly doesn't think about the big picture and just goes with a general idea.

    The problem is Oda won't take any input from his staff and because of that he drags on and makes dumb mistakes.


    Luckily for him he has a cult following that will lap up whatever he puts out anyway. It's the same with the DBS anime.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rax, The Hero From Beyond View Post
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    Not really. He clearly doesn't think about the big picture and just goes with a general idea.

    The problem is Oda won't take any input from his staff and because of that he drags on and makes dumb mistakes.


    Luckily for him he has a cult following that will lap up whatever he puts out anyway. It's the same with the DBS anime.
    He doesn't think about the big picture ? He had laid out the war of the best 3 arcs before it occurred.He chose that Kuma would separate the Straw Hats 5 years before it actually happened and you dare say he doesn't think about the big picture ? Just now he has written 3 arcs overall in order to build up Kaido and weaken his army somewhat.He is building up a rivalry between Big Mom and Luffy that will see it's end in Elbaf and yet he doesn't think ? Go back to reading about why wasn't his majesty's child loved you dumb mongrel





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    He doesn't think about the big picture ? He had laid out the war of the best 3 arcs before it occurred.He chose that Kuma would separate the Straw Hats 5 years before it actually happened and you dare say he doesn't think about the big picture ? Just now he has written 3 arcs overall in order to build up Kaido and weaken his army somewhat.He is building up a rivalry between Big Mom and Luffy that will see it's end in Elbaf and yet he doesn't think ? Go back to reading about why wasn't his majesty's child loved you dumb mongrel
    Nah, you're in defense mode again. He has the major story beats planned out. That is completely different than the plot structure linking these beats together and the chapter by chapter focus. Don't tell me you can't tell the difference.

    He clearly doesn't plan that out much and even changes his mind sometimes from one chapter to the next. Like Luffy harming Doffy with basic Haki punches&kicks one chapter, very next being worthless. Trebol suicide being a big deal with everyone reacting to it. Next chapter explosion does nothing and not even a single panel of Trebol or Doffy reacting to his man possibly dying. Franky's laser, Giant frozen prisoners, we still don't know for sure who Biscuit was, Violet's contact, Bart briefcase, Doffy entire personality and age of smiles. Oda now spitballs ideas. Sad truth. Napoleon probably didn't exist in his mind until a few chapters before his introduction.

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    The series simply is too huge to focus on one thing.He has admitted himself that much.
    Stop falling for the PR. If he stopped the meandering bits, running, and repetition the series would be fine.

    Can't say the series is too big then keep putting the SH in now their like 5th near death situation instead of moving the story forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellinger View Post
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    He doesn't think about the big picture ? He had laid out the war of the best 3 arcs before it occurred.He chose that Kuma would separate the Straw Hats 5 years before it actually happened and you dare say he doesn't think about the big picture ? Just now he has written 3 arcs overall in order to build up Kaido and weaken his army somewhat.He is building up a rivalry between Big Mom and Luffy that will see it's end in Elbaf and yet he doesn't think ? Go back to reading about why wasn't his majesty's child loved you dumb mongrel
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    And Pre-skip was clearly when he was trying

    He doesn't anymore.

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    Stop falling for the PR. If he stopped the meandering bits, running, and repetition the series would be fine.

    Can't say the series is too big then keep putting the SH in now their 5th near death situation.

    Watch Dragon and Co rescue them.



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    Nah, you're in defense mode again. He has the major story beats planned out. That is completely different than the plot structure linking these beats together and the chapter by chapter focus. Don't tell me you can't tell the difference.

    He clearly doesn't plan that out much and even changes his mind sometimes from one chapter to the next. Like Luffy harming Doffy with basic Haki punches&kicks one chapter, very next being worthless. Trebol suicide being a big deal with everyone reacting to it. Next chapter explosion does nothing and not even a single panel of Trebol or Doffy reacting to his man possibly dying. Franky's laser, Giant frozen prisoners, we still don't know for sure who Biscuit was, Violet's contact, Bart briefcase, Doffy entire personality and age of smiles. Oda now spitballs ideas. Sad truth. Napoleon probably didn't exist in his mind until a few chapters before his introduction.



    Stop falling for the PR. If he stopped the meandering bits, running, and repetition the series would be fine.

    Can't say the series is too big then keep putting the SH in now their like 5th near death situation instead of moving the story forward.
    And you are on shitting mode once again,looking for things that were never intended to be something important as things to shit on Oda.

    Again.The only thing Doflamingo was implying is that Luffy will never put him down with these kind of attacks.We did not see something different in the previous chapter.You don't launch someone multiple meters back with your attack being shit.We saw a reaction of Doffy in the previous chapter,calling Trebol a fool.You seriously can't expect him to have a huge monologue about Trebol when he is hellbent on killing Law.Niptick at it's finest from a master such as you.Franky's laser ? You mean Caesar wanting to make a research on it ? Giant Prisoners ? We found out that PH was a place were experiments on prisoners were made.Some of them were about turning people into giants.It's not that hard.Doffy's entire personality ? Doflamingo was still the cocky motherfucker he always was,the pupeteer.Age of smiles ? Seriously Dayum ? We literally had a Saga about the SMILEs.Why the heck do you nitpick so much ?


    Seriously ? You'd be the first to bitch about the Straw Hats having it too easy on a Yonko territory yet now Oda should just move the story forward ? I can't believe the shit you have spouted in this single post.





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    Will BM ever live up to Yonkou hype?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayum View Post
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    Nah, you're in defense mode again. He has the major story beats planned out. That is completely different than the plot structure linking these beats together and the chapter by chapter focus. Don't tell me you can't tell the difference.

    He clearly doesn't plan that out much and even changes his mind sometimes from one chapter to the next. Like Luffy harming Doffy with basic Haki punches&kicks one chapter, very next being worthless. Trebol suicide being a big deal with everyone reacting to it. Next chapter explosion does nothing and not even a single panel of Trebol or Doffy reacting to his man possibly dying. Franky's laser, Giant frozen prisoners, we still don't know for sure who Biscuit was, Violet's contact, Bart briefcase, Doffy entire personality and age of smiles. Oda now spitballs ideas. Sad truth. Napoleon probably didn't exist in his mind until a few chapters before his introduction.



    Stop falling for the PR. If he stopped the meandering bits, running, and repetition the series would be fine.

    Can't say the series is too big then keep putting the SH in now their like 5th near death situation instead of moving the story forward.
    I agree with the rest of your post, but there was never a character called Biscuit. You're misremembering something.
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    The rest is history: Kong very skillfully discovered our group (that was not even hidden) and spent long wet days exploring every thread, going through every post and stalking our entire stack byte by byte, until he found about 2 or 3 questionable instances, and proceeded to make the dish richer with creative additions like hardcore lolicon porn or the infamous star children pics -whatever it's supposed to mean- and soon after i logged in to me being the Al Capone of children trafficking, ordering constant refill of actual holo 3D virtual reality cp videos, and something about emma watson whose meaning and origin i've yet to understand, since it's definitely the most bizarre claim on top of a cake of more or less unbelievable bullshit. At that point, i wasn't much shocked of Kong, cuz he was just being the slimy Kong we all know and love, but of GP, who i've always seen as the scales balancer between me and Pops in the past, and now he'd be very unbalancedly deploying all his rethorics against me and that circle of people, making a long shade of made up stuff, banning us one by one without giving the chance to speak, hiding the group from everyone's eyes with all the evidence it contained, and proceeding to a fervent damnatio memoriae for still long time after the ban.


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    And you are on shitting mode once again,looking for things that were never intended to be something important as things to shit on Oda.

    Again.The only thing Doflamingo was implying is that Luffy will never put him down with these kind of attacks.We did not see something different in the previous chapter.You don't launch someone multiple meters back with your attack being shit.We saw a reaction of Doffy in the previous chapter,calling Trebol a fool.You seriously can't expect him to have a huge monologue about Trebol when he is hellbent on killing Law.Niptick at it's finest from a master such as you.Franky's laser ? You mean Caesar wanting to make a research on it ? Giant Prisoners ? We found out that PH was a place were experiments on prisoners were made.Some of them were about turning people into giants.It's not that hard.Doffy's entire personality ? Doflamingo was still the cocky motherfucker he always was,the pupeteer.Age of smiles ? Seriously Dayum ? We literally had a Saga about the SMILEs.Why the heck do you nitpick so much ?


    Seriously ? You'd be the first to bitch about the Straw Hats having it too easy on a Yonko territory yet now Oda should just move the story forward ? I can't believe the shit you have spouted in this single post.
    Retaining some vague or generic characteristics doesn't make him the same character. What happened to his rantings about the New Age? What happened to his quirk of sitting in awkward positions? What happened to his indifference toward the Shichibukai? Why did "Joker" keep getting so angry and upset during Dressrosa, thus retconning the personality he was established to have? What happened to the guy who cackles at the prospect of war and chaos?

    This character never made it through the time skip. Stop lying and admit it.
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    The rest is history: Kong very skillfully discovered our group (that was not even hidden) and spent long wet days exploring every thread, going through every post and stalking our entire stack byte by byte, until he found about 2 or 3 questionable instances, and proceeded to make the dish richer with creative additions like hardcore lolicon porn or the infamous star children pics -whatever it's supposed to mean- and soon after i logged in to me being the Al Capone of children trafficking, ordering constant refill of actual holo 3D virtual reality cp videos, and something about emma watson whose meaning and origin i've yet to understand, since it's definitely the most bizarre claim on top of a cake of more or less unbelievable bullshit. At that point, i wasn't much shocked of Kong, cuz he was just being the slimy Kong we all know and love, but of GP, who i've always seen as the scales balancer between me and Pops in the past, and now he'd be very unbalancedly deploying all his rethorics against me and that circle of people, making a long shade of made up stuff, banning us one by one without giving the chance to speak, hiding the group from everyone's eyes with all the evidence it contained, and proceeding to a fervent damnatio memoriae for still long time after the ban.


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    Retaining some vague or generic characteristics doesn't make him the same character. What happened to his rantings about the New Age? What happened to his quirk of sitting in awkward positions? What happened to his indifference toward the Shichibukai? Why did "Joker" keep getting so angry and upset during Dressrosa, thus retconning the personality he was established to have? What happened to the guy who cackles at the prospect of war and chaos?

    This character never made it through the time skip. Stop lying and admit it.
    Him never losing his cool and just laughing everything off worked when he was a minor character pre-skip but through his arc it would not had worked. Would had felt really weird if he were just laughing at all the shit that happened to him since Vergo got defeated which is why i guess Oda changed that part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister View Post
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    Him never losing his cool and just laughing everything off worked when he was a minor character pre-skip but through an entire arc it would not had worked. Would had felt really weird if he were just laughing at all the shit that happened to him since Vergo got defeated which is why i guess Oda changed that part.


    Remember when he was going through the list of offenses that Luffy and Law had made, and said, "I'm so angry, all I can do is laugh!"

    That was one of the few genuine Doffy lines during Dressrosa. That felt like something out of the original character. Everyone would've loved to see him more unhinged and not so serious. He was called JOKER.
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    The rest is history: Kong very skillfully discovered our group (that was not even hidden) and spent long wet days exploring every thread, going through every post and stalking our entire stack byte by byte, until he found about 2 or 3 questionable instances, and proceeded to make the dish richer with creative additions like hardcore lolicon porn or the infamous star children pics -whatever it's supposed to mean- and soon after i logged in to me being the Al Capone of children trafficking, ordering constant refill of actual holo 3D virtual reality cp videos, and something about emma watson whose meaning and origin i've yet to understand, since it's definitely the most bizarre claim on top of a cake of more or less unbelievable bullshit. At that point, i wasn't much shocked of Kong, cuz he was just being the slimy Kong we all know and love, but of GP, who i've always seen as the scales balancer between me and Pops in the past, and now he'd be very unbalancedly deploying all his rethorics against me and that circle of people, making a long shade of made up stuff, banning us one by one without giving the chance to speak, hiding the group from everyone's eyes with all the evidence it contained, and proceeding to a fervent damnatio memoriae for still long time after the ban.


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    Oda´s white knight strikes again back

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    Remember when he was going through the list of offenses that Luffy and Law had made, and said, "I'm so angry, all I can do is laugh!"

    That was one of the few genuine Doffy lines during Dressrosa. That felt like something out of the original character. Everyone would've loved to see him more unhinged and not so serious. He was called JOKER.
    I agree that's a awesome line but moreso because it symbolized that Doffy really had enough at that point. Still think it was a good decision from Oda to not have Doflamingo laugh at the stuff the alliance pulled at him. There were some times where it might have worked if he just laughed but i think him being serious worked better in a lot off scenes and despite he was still smiling and laughing a lot, just not as much as before.

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    Wow You guys expect Doffy to laugh like idoit when his entire shit was on line

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    Oda´s white knight strikes again back
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    Wow You guys expect Doffy to laugh like a madman when his entire shit was on line
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    The only thing that piss me off was Oda forget to explain how Parasite works ? That was his most notable move from preskip . He could have atleat explain how that shit worka


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    I agree that's a awesome line but moreso because it symbolized that Doffy really had enough at that point. Still think it was a good decision from Oda to not have Doflamingo laugh at the stuff the alliance pulled at him. There were some times where it might have worked if he just laughed but i think him being serious worked better in a lot off scenes and despite he was still smiling and laughing a lot, just not as much as before.
    Making Doffy a main arc antagonist was the real mistake. He should have been a secondary antagonist.

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    The only thing that piss me off was Oda forget to explain how Parasite works ? That was his most notable move from preskip . He could have atleat explain how that shit worka
    Originally it was a thread entering the spine and hijacking the nervous system, but then Oda retconned it into being strings all over the body.
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    The rest is history: Kong very skillfully discovered our group (that was not even hidden) and spent long wet days exploring every thread, going through every post and stalking our entire stack byte by byte, until he found about 2 or 3 questionable instances, and proceeded to make the dish richer with creative additions like hardcore lolicon porn or the infamous star children pics -whatever it's supposed to mean- and soon after i logged in to me being the Al Capone of children trafficking, ordering constant refill of actual holo 3D virtual reality cp videos, and something about emma watson whose meaning and origin i've yet to understand, since it's definitely the most bizarre claim on top of a cake of more or less unbelievable bullshit. At that point, i wasn't much shocked of Kong, cuz he was just being the slimy Kong we all know and love, but of GP, who i've always seen as the scales balancer between me and Pops in the past, and now he'd be very unbalancedly deploying all his rethorics against me and that circle of people, making a long shade of made up stuff, banning us one by one without giving the chance to speak, hiding the group from everyone's eyes with all the evidence it contained, and proceeding to a fervent damnatio memoriae for still long time after the ban.


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    Making Doffy a main arc antagonist was the real mistake. He should have been a secondary antagonist
    I don't mind Doffy being a main arc villain but the disappointment off Dressrosa would had been easier to swallow if it was a set-upish arc rather then a climax arc.

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