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    Gilgamesh vs Grand Servants

    Who wins? No restrictions.

    Scenario 2: Alive Gil vs Grand Servants at their strongest 1v1 fights ofc

    I wanna know exactly how strong the Grand Servants are.


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    I still haven't played GO, but shouldn't they be above Gil?

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    that's not how it works.

    Grand Servants are nothing but spirits summoned by the world itself instead into superior containers to fight against great threats. Theoretically every HS can be one.

    Nor do we know how strong exactly they are aside from King Hassan pimp handing away Excalibur Galantine at high noon.

    Chances are any Grand beats Gils ass unless he instantly pulls out Ea which is a threat to anything that's not named Akasha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Y View Post
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    that's not how it works.

    Grand Servants are nothing but spirits summoned by the world itself instead into superior containers to fight against great threats. Theoretically every HS can be one.

    Nor do we know how strong exactly they are aside from King Hassan pimp handing away Excalibur Galantine at high noon.

    Chances are any Grand beats Gils ass unless he instantly pulls out Ea which is a threat to anything that's not named Akasha.
    King Hassan fight Gil

    and Hassan destroys IC Gil?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elux View Post
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    King Hassan fight Gil

    and Hassan destroys IC Gil?
    Gil is the strongest Servant.

    Any Servant can be summoned by the world itself as a Grand Servant.

    Difference is: You have a human master in one case and a container infernior to your alive self in one case.

    and the literal will of the world as master and a container that's equal or superior to your alive self.

    It's basically steroids.

    and he should simply by virtue of being a conceptual tier above normal servants, if summoned as Grand. Ea just breaks the mold as it's so strong it actually requires the worlds energy concentrated into one spot to defend against, but Ea never played according to the rules. 'Anti-World' for a reason.

    Normal King Hassan obviously isn't as strong.


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    dat Grand Assassin Mata Hari hype

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    Gil is the strongest Servant.

    Any Servant can be summoned by the world itself as a Grand Servant.

    Difference is: You have a human master in one case and a container infernior to your alive self in one case.

    and the literal will of the world as master and a container that's equal or superior to your alive self.

    It's basically steroids.

    and he should simply by virtue of being a conceptual tier above normal servants, if summoned as Grand. Ea just breaks the mold as it's so strong it actually requires the worlds energy concentrated into one spot to defend against, but Ea never played according to the rules. 'Anti-World' for a reason.

    Normal King Hassan obviously isn't as strong.
    Untrue.

    You need to be a crown heroic spirit to pass as a grand servant along with another skill that signifies you as the best of your class. For Casters, this is clairvoyance EX. We don't know about the other classes.

    King Hassan is also still powerful and Gil-tier no matter the saint graph. Babylonia has him say outright that even without a grand saint graph, his assassination skill doesn't change. That's the skill that had Ozy decapitated in his own throne room. Additionally, King Hassan goes onto fight 11 Demon God+ familiars, with only Mashu as aid. One of those familiars easily defeated Jaguar Man, who was impossible for the team until Ishtar came along.

    Lastly is that King Hassan's parameters don't exemplify his true power, which is the simple ability to kill. He ignores conventionality like damage and cuts concepts.

    The most losing his saint graph did was that we'll no longer see him do stuff like parrying Galatine with a casual swing.

    Solomon won his grail war. Is immune to all magecraft. Has incredible versatility with his rings. Took a beating from everything Goetia had bar AAS and wasn't bothered by it.

    Grand Servants are utterly broken in any circumstance and the ones we've seen are the weakest 2 in terms of class designation.
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    forgot about the skill part, true/10. Though iirc the statement was just that clairvoyance EX qualifies you as Grand Caster and is one of the requirements to be chosen by the world, we're not sure if that's true for other classes etc. It might be.

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    but eh, idk about that latter part.

    The container has been made a huge fucking deal out of, they're also quite specifically stated that's what puts them far out of regular servants ballpark.
    But, it's true they're already chosen from the top-line of servants, we also know there are multiple eligible. That obviously means viable candidates are broken from the get-go, but still.

    'Crown Servant' is just a fancy name for them.


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    forgot about the skill part, true/10. Though iirc the statement was just that clairvoyance EX qualifies you as Grand Caster and is one of the requirements to be chosen by the world, we're not sure if that's true for other classes etc. It might be.
    Clairvoyance is indicative of being a godly caster, which supports the notion that Grands have to be best at what they do. There's no surprise why King Hassan is undisputedly the strongest assassin and has the greatest killing ability among them.

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    The container has been made a huge fucking deal out of, they're also quite specifically stated that's what puts them far out of regular servants ballpark.
    But, it's true they're already chosen from the top-line of servants, we also know there are multiple eligible. That obviously means viable candidates are broken from the get-go, but still.

    'Crown Servant' is just a fancy name for them.
    Its not the container, its the saint graph. It does push them above regular servants but yeah, the point is they're top-tier regardless. There can be more than one for each class, just as both Merlin and Solomon qualify.

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