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  1. #21
    Jack is a non-factor with building-level attacks

    Zoro would end him in 1 head slash

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    Jack is a non-factor with building-level attacks

    Zoro would end him in 1 head slash

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    seriously though Zoro could stand there and tank Jack's weakass attacks all day long

    and Zoro has a history of slashing apart big ass animals like it was nothing

    whichever calamity faces Zoro in Wano will be the most unlucky

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    seriously though Zoro could stand there and tank Jack's weakass attacks all day long

    and Zoro has a history of slashing apart big ass animals like it was nothing

    whichever calamity faces Zoro in Wano will be the most unlucky
    Jack was not rly impressive.

    He was not even able to beat the Giant Cat/Dog

    His best feat is around buildinglevel

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    Idiot : '' Assuming that Snack was not significantly weaker than Cracker ''

    That's what he said. Urouge defeated Snack, and then defeated by Base Cracker. The difference between Snack and Cracker was like the difference between Vista and Curiel.

    Full Power Cracker > Base Cracker > Urouge > Snack

    There are at least two levels difference between Cracker and Snack. Which is an overwhelming difference just like the difference between Vista and Curiel.

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    It's not. Just because Zoro's AoE capability is larger that doesn't mean his attack is on par with Luffy's Kong Gun. Kaku was able to cut through the Enies Loby Tower, however Asura Zoro stopped his attack head on. Law was able to cut mountains however Smoker deflected his attacks with his Jutte. Luffy's G3 was able to reshape Chinjao's Haki imbued head which is strong enough to resist Cavendish's Durandal sword head on. He hurt Admiral Fujitora over his sword block with G3. And Kong Gun is much stronger than a G3 punch.

    Luffy's sheer strength and his Haki level is above of Zoro. And 1080 isn't on par with Luffy's Kong Gun. Just as Sanji's Hell Memories is not.

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    Luffy proved later that he wasn't. Zoro never proved otherwise and it's obvious that Lucci was out of Zoro's league, by his own admission.

    Luffy would lose to Enel without his rubber powers, that's not the point. The idiot said that Zoro's durability is higher than other people that on his own level. Which is stupid. Zoro was no different than Sanji or Wiper against Enel.
    That's what he said, but you're acting like he implied they were equal, which is not what he said. He probably meant Cracker would mid-diff Snack or something to that extent (though, you'd have to ask him about that). Urouge also could have been weakened from his confrontation against Snack, which would result in a very poor showing against Cracker. I don't see why your 3rd strongest Sweet Commander would be leagues ahead of your 4th. I definitely don't see the difference being as similar as the one between Vista and Curiel.

    And sure. But we had Zoro's 1080 Pound Cannon cut a portion of Pica larger than the head that Luffy smashed in with G3's Grizzly Magnum. It's obvious those two are similar in strength. Yeah, that's not Kong Gun, but it's probably the closest thing to it without Luffy being in G4. ISDS is a different story. It's obvious it's his strongest move as of now and I could see it being close to Luffy's Kong Gun in power. I don't think it's equal to it, but most likely very close to it. Probably a bit stronger than Cracker's Pretzel Roll at the expense of a much longer preparation time. If anything, unless you think the difference between Kong Gun and Grizzly Magnum is huge, then ISDS should be just a bit weaker than Kong Gun, but not enough to say it's on a different level. It's important to remember that Doflamingo said G3 had the power to hurt him, but it was the speed it lacked. I'd give the edge to ISDS over Grizzly Magnum, thus my reasoning for putting ISDS so close to Kong Gun in power.

    Also, Smoker may have blocked Law's sword, but it's obvious Law didn't put nearly as much effort into that swing as he did the mountain cutting swing. Smoker, who was weaker than Vergo wouldn't have been able to block it if that was the case, since his Busoshoku Haki isn't as strong as that of Vergo's. I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make with the rest of those examples, so I'll just leave it at that. If they stopped an attack, that just means they have offensive power equal to or greater than the attack they blocked.

    I'm aware Luffy's haki is greater, but to think Kong Gun's offensive power is on a different level than ISDS's when it's essentially just a G4 pistol (unless you want to argue that's Culverin) seems a bit silly to me.

    Well yeah, he did, but to think Zoro would be fodder to Lucci is silly. Of course Lucci was ahead of him, but he was also ahead of Luffy. If we go by Douriki, Lucci's wasn't even 2 times greater than Kaku's. Luffy also had a harder time fighting him than Zoro suffered with Kaku, so it's obvious the difference between Luffy and Zoro wasn't anything insane. Luffy would probably beat him with high mid-diff or something.

    Also, he was referring to offensive power, not durability. I agree with him that compared to the people close to Zoro (Sanji, Jinbe, Smoker, Bege etc.), Zoro has shown far greater offensive power.

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    ISDS and 1080 Pound Phoenix have no basis for being comparable to G4.

    They are much closer to attacks like Red Hawk.
    There's more to suggest that they are closer to high end G3 attacks then Red Hawk. If anything they're both at least comparable to Thor Elephant Gun with ISDS being the stronger attack.

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    It isn't that easy to connect with Jack in the first place. Jack isn't that mobile of a fighter himself and sure he'll have Urouge around, but Urouge isn't the most mobile fighter you can get either. Second, that won't be enough to put down Jack. His strongest point is endurance. He'll feel the attack but I don't think someone like Urouge can add much to Zoro's damage output from his stronger attacks.
    Well, it's not like he'd only hit him once with it. No way Jack would be done in by just one of those, that we can agree on. But having someone as strong as Urouge should give Zoro enough room to land a fair amount of those. I personally think that Urouge has offensive power similar to Zoro's.
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    That's what he said, but you're acting like he implied they were equal, which is not what he said. He probably meant Cracker would mid-diff Snack or something to that extent (though, you'd have to ask him about that). Urouge also could have been weakened from his confrontation against Snack, which would result in a very poor showing against Cracker. I don't see why your 3rd strongest Sweet Commander would be leagues ahead of your 4th. I definitely don't see the difference being as similar as the one between Vista and Curiel.

    And sure. But we had Zoro's 1080 Pound Cannon cut a portion of Pica larger than the head that Luffy smashed in with G3's Grizzly Magnum. It's obvious those two are similar in strength. Yeah, that's not Kong Gun, but it's probably the closest thing to it without Luffy being in G4. ISDS is a different story. It's obvious it's his strongest move as of now and I could see it being close to Luffy's Kong Gun in power. I don't think it's equal to it, but most likely very close to it. Probably a bit stronger than Cracker's Pretzel Roll at the expense of a much longer preparation time. If anything, unless you think the difference between Kong Gun and Grizzly Magnum is huge, then ISDS should be just a bit weaker than Kong Gun, but not enough to say it's on a different level. It's important to remember that Doflamingo said G3 had the power to hurt him, but it was the speed it lacked. I'd give the edge to ISDS over Grizzly Magnum, thus my reasoning for putting ISDS so close to Kong Gun in power.

    Also, Smoker may have blocked Law's sword, but it's obvious Law didn't put nearly as much effort into that swing as he did the mountain cutting swing. Smoker, who was weaker than Vergo wouldn't have been able to block it if that was the case, since his Busoshoku Haki isn't as strong as that of Vergo's. I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make with the rest of those examples, so I'll just leave it at that. If they stopped an attack, that just means they have offensive power equal to or greater than the attack they blocked.

    I'm aware Luffy's haki is greater, but to think Kong Gun's offensive power is on a different level than ISDS's when it's essentially just a G4 pistol (unless you want to argue that's Culverin) seems a bit silly to me.

    Well yeah, he did, but to think Zoro would be fodder to Lucci is silly. Of course Lucci was ahead of him, but he was also ahead of Luffy. If we go by Douriki, Lucci's wasn't even 2 times greater than Kaku's. Luffy also had a harder time fighting him than Zoro suffered with Kaku, so it's obvious the difference between Luffy and Zoro wasn't anything insane. Luffy would probably beat him with high mid-diff or something.

    Also, he was referring to offensive power, not durability. I agree with him that compared to the people close to Zoro (Sanji, Jinbe, Smoker, Bege etc.), Zoro has shown far greater offensive power.

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    There's more to suggest that they are closer to high end G3 attacks then Red Hawk. If anything they're both at least comparable to Thor Elephant Gun with ISDS being the stronger attack.

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    Well, it's not like he'd only hit him once with it. No way Jack would be done in by just one of those, that we can agree on. But having someone as strong as Urouge should give Zoro enough room to land a fair amount of those. I personally think that Urouge has offensive power similar to Zoro's.
    If you give team perfect teamwork then I could see them winning. It will take perfect synchonization to match Jack since both are outclassed by the Calamity.

    Although he's dead, his body doesn't collapse! And the way he mowed down enemies with wounds all over his body...was certainly monstrous! The number of sword wounds he received is indeed two hundred sixty-seven! The number of gun wounds: a hundred and fifty-two! And he was shot by cannons forty-six times! Yet, on his proud back...or in his whole pirate life, there is no scar he got while running away!

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    If you give team perfect teamwork then I could see them winning. It will take perfect synchonization to match Jack since both are outclassed by the Calamity.
    Well, alright. If we assume they have perfect teamwork, then I think Zoro and Urouge have the necessary offensive power and endurance to take him down
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    My point still stands, Red Hawk, ISDS, and 1080 Pound Phoenix are all around the same level, G4 is on another tier.

    Zoro hasn't used Asura Postskip, his strongest move in Asura should probably be stronger than anything current G4 has shown bar KKG.
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    My point still stands, Red Hawk, ISDS, and 1080 Pound Phoenix are all around the same level, G4 is on another tier.

    Zoro hasn't used Asura Postskip, his strongest move in Asura should probably be stronger than anything current G4 has shown bar KKG.
    I guess we'll have to wait and see. Where do you place Red Hawk relative to Luffy's other G2/G3 moves?
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