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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikamara View Post
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    what feats does bellamy have?
    Netero was basically one punch man XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
    Energy? He could stay awake throwing punches for years.
    Speed here has been put at equal, but Netero could throw so many punches at once they weren't even visible
    Stamina ≠ Energy, Nika-chan.

    Base Luffy no-diffed Sai, who has a Small City feat.

    Luffy had to exert himself to beat Bellamy, so Bellamy >= Sai.

    Netero is Town level, scaling from Youpi's rage blasts.

    Small City > Town.

    And being faster than eyes can't perceive isn't much.

    Kalifa before the timeskip could react to Lightning.

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    Actually Bellamy should take this.He's town level in both durability and dc.

    Netero durablity is only multi-city block level,while his dc is town-level(barring his Rose bomb which is in the single digit megatons range).So Netero is fucked if Bellamy gets a hold of him...but then Bellamy gets nuked and it ends as a draw.

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    Netero is not better than any character in OP. That is asinine. Not to say Netero doesn't have depth, but to outright say he is better than any character in OP is ridiculous.

    People just don't seem to understand that within any manga you will ever read, Barr maybe Berserk, OP stands among the top in terms of character depth. Character DEPTH, not progression. Not all good characters have to be dynamic.

    As in the dreams, purpose, attitudes, motivations, quirks, and allegiances of every single character in OP are fleshed out.

    And if not outright fleshed out, Oda allows intelligent readers to deduce and infer about these facets of a character.

    Your comment proves that you really are just a 16 year old kid who is going to with the hipster mindset. Apparently things that are popular are inherently bad.

    People like to shit on Luffy, but sit here and actually think and compare how much you know about Luffy and how much there is to dig behind him. Compare his motivations, dreams, attitudes, personality, and design to somebody like Gon. Every part of Luffys design points to aspects of his character and history. Where he had been and who he is. Every single part. His facial scar had history, his hat has history, his chest scar has purpose and history. Even his outfit allows people to infer things about his character.

    Compare this to tons of other MCs. How much can you honestly say is true about Gon, huh? Ichigo? Tsuna? Natsu?

    Fucking Senor Pink is given a fucking backstory with more emotional impact than 99% of Shonen characters. With 10 chapters of screen time, he's more developed than the fucking main characters of weaker shonens.

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    Especially when you consider how much history and depth is given to people that are more interesting than the main casts of weak shonens.

    And that Oda has fleshed out hundreds upon hundreds of characters in this manor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCree View Post
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    Netero is not better than any character in OP. That is asinine. Not to say Netero doesn't have depth, but to outright say he is better than any character in OP is ridiculous.

    People just don't seem to understand that within any manga you will ever read, Barr maybe Berserk, OP stands among the top in terms of character depth. Character DEPTH, not progression. Not all good characters have to be dynamic.

    As in the dreams, purpose, attitudes, motivations, quirks, and allegiances of every single character in OP are fleshed out.

    And if not outright fleshed out, Oda allows intelligent readers to deduce and infer about these facets of a character.

    Your comment proves that you really are just a 16 year old kid who is going to with the hipster mindset. Apparently things that are popular are inherently bad.

    People like to shit on Luffy, but sit here and actually think and compare how much you know about Luffy and how much there is to dig behind him. Compare his motivations, dreams, attitudes, personality, and design compare to somebody like Gon. Every part of Luffys design points to aspects of his character and history. Where he had been and who he is. Every single part. His facial scar had history, his hat has history, his chest scar has purpose and history. Even his outfit allows people to infer things about his character.

    Compare this to tons of other MCs. How much can you honestly say is true about Gon, huh? Ichigo? Tsuna? Natsu?

    Fucking Senor Pink is given a fucking backstory with more emotional impact than 99% of Shonen characters. With 10 chapters of screen time, he's more developed than the fucking main characters of weaker shonens.
    If you wanna talk shit, you should tag me, you know.

    I don't need, nor do I want, to argue with you about fucking OP. We all know your boner for it, no need to write me a bible arguing "You're a kid, OP is better!!1!!1"

    "Bar maybe Berserk".

    Nah fam, that just shows you're a fanboy.

    Vagabond and Lone Wolf And Cub alone shit on OP.

    Fucking Musashi

    The fact that you need to point out my age to strengthen your argument just shows how desperate you are to prove me wrong, but somehow can't. You know, that's an ad hominem.

    The fact that you're arguing like I said OP is bad, when I didn't do anything of the like, is even more proof that all you want to do is exert your "OP IS BESTO!!!1!1" mindset on everyone.

    I don't really know what you wanted to prove with this shit, rage and salt infested post, but I want no part of it.

    So, in the most peaceful way I can say it (Don't let that autism misinterpret it ;)), fuck off with your fanboying.

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    Netero gets destroyed like the fodder Netero is.

    HxH is a boring and overrated manga. "HxH greatness " Dont get triggered.

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    lol. thing about opinions, they can't be wrong. people are entitled to them. you don't need to agree with them and people don't need to agree with you. just move on
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    You completely fail to realize the main reason why the only series I could honestly say has similar levels of depth when compared to Berserk was that the ability for a character to deem realized is heavily predicated upon how developed the world itself is.

    The history, societies, communities, and overall world of OP is realized far better than series like Lone Wolf and Cub or Vagabond. Oda has cultivated an entire planet to explore and hundreds of different characters to facilitate the overall exploration of the world.

    Taking the time to give each seperate island and group their own identity and personality lends creedence to the overall perception that every single character is realized. That this place despite its wacky incongruities and whimsical nature is a real place with real breathing people. People who change over time or don't. The staticness of a character does not solely determine the strength of a character.

    Given the vastness of the world, it makes sense that it would feel this way. Go actually look at a page of One Piece, Oda is master, in my opinion, rivaled by no one in making a page of manga feel real. The way that actions facilitate themselves across a page, the layered structure of each character. The individual actions pertaken by each person on each panel. They all react differently, both simultaneously congruently and in opposition. Each scene of this world feels real. Each person has their conversations and reactions seperate from the bigger picture.

    Oda also helps to make he world reel with just how much he shows to us and withholds. He allows us to infer about a cultures customs that created without inherently telling us. He also at the same time gifts us vast amounts of information on each page.

    The long structure of OP also perfectly facilitate this form of storytelling. We know that truths and secrets will be revealed, because they are REAL. We know their real because the world itself feels REAL. A character driven story needs realized characters to push an event along, just as an event can push realized characters along.

    That is what actual depth is.

    http://www.ohio.edu/people/hartleyg/...haracter2.html

    Read this little article on character development. The article mentions Toltstoy as a master of pushing a character driven narrative along through the physiologies and actions of its players. The consider that War and Peace and Anna Karenina takes please in our world. The world feels real not because Toltstoy has taken us to a made up world and made it seem real, but because it is reality. Oda subverts the notion that characters need to be given depth through interaction and motivation (not that OP doesn't have this) through his inherent visualization of the narrative. It's mediums to portray similar actions. People talking and listening, giving and recieving, shoving their own ideals to whichever direction the wind blows them. Oda is a master not of the internal consistency and psychology and the portrayal of it throug words, but the realization of the overall structure of world. He guides your eyes across a page, just as Toltstoy does, just in a different manner. And I will not sit here and say that the psychological and inner conflicts in OP are as complex as Toltstoys, as that is asanine, but that is also not to say that the complexity of a character or world is fervently decided by it's depth. Remember that OP is silly children's pirate manga, but that doesn't make it feel any less real.

    What do you hold more dear? The whimsical false reality of your youth or the ultimate acceptance of the actual reality of your adulthood.

    I guess you wouldn't know side haven't experienced the latter.

    Further evidenced by your completely witty and original use of my Autism. Quite profound friend.

    Stick to reading your manga and prefererring them becuase they make you feel "cultured" and "complex".

    Becuase no matter what you say, the world and characters of One Piece are as perfectly realized as anything you can come up with.

    Why else would the vast majority of the demographic of the series be adults? I'm inclined to believe that it's becuase despite how absurd the world is, it still feels real.

    Amd I think about 400 million others would agree with me.

    Also you apparently feel the need to boss a grown man around as a 16 year old.

    Ill mention you whenever I please faggot.
    @Caves;

    Ill do it now, I wouldn't want to miss your own funeral.

    Typos abound.
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    Bellamy gets bitch slapped
    I'm not really convinced Bellamy is small city level,I see Netero winning Mid high diff maybe

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    You completely fail to realize the main reason why the only series I could honestly say has similar levels of depth when compared to Berserk was that the ability for a character to deem realized is heavily predicated upon how developed the world itself is.

    The history, societies, communities, and overall world of OP is realized far better than series like lone Wolf and Cub or Vagabond. Oda has cultivated an entire planet to explore and hundreds of different characters to facilitate the overall exploration of the world.

    Taking the time to give each seperate island and group their own identity and personality lends creedence to the overall perception that every single character is realized. That this place despite it wacky incongruities and whimsical nature is a real place with real breathing people. People who have change over time or don't. The static was of character does not solely determine the strength of a character.

    Given the vastness of the world, it makes sense that is would feel this way. Go actually look at a page of One Piece, Oda is master, in my opinion, rivaled by no one in making a page of manga feel real. The way that actionsfacilitate themselves across a page, the layered structure of each character. The individuals actions pertaken by each person on each panel. They all react differently and boy Simaltaneously congruently and in opposition. Each scene of this world feels real. Each person has their conversations and reactions seperate from the bigger picture.

    Oda also helps to make he world reel with just how much he shows to us and withholds. He allows us to infer about a cultures customs that created without inherently telling us. He also at the same time gifts us vast amounts of information on each page.
    The long structure of OP also perfectly facilitate this form of storytelling. We know that truths and secrets will be revealed, because they are REAL. We know their real because the world itself feels REAL. A character driven story needs realized characters to push an event along, just as an event can push realized characters along.

    That is what actual depth is.

    http://www.ohio.edu/people/hartleyg/...haracter2.html

    Read this little article on character development. The article mentions Toltstoy as a master of pushing a character driven narrative along through the physiologies and actions of its players. The consider that War and Peace and Anna Karenina takes please in our world. The world feels real not because Toltstoy has taken us to a made up and made it seem real, but because it is reality. Oda subverts the notion that characters need to be given depth through interaction and motivation (not that OP doesn't have this) through his inherent visualization of the narrative. It's mediums to portray similar actions. People talking and listening, giving and recieving, shoving their won ideals to whichever direction the wind blows them. Oda is a master not of the internal consistency and psychology and the portrayal of it throug words, but the realization of the overall structure of world. He guides your eyes across a page, just as Toltstoy does, just in a different manner. And I will sit here and say that the psychological and inner conflicts in OP are as complex as Toltstoys, as that is asanine, but that is also not to say that the complexity of a character or world fervently decided it's depth. Remember that OP is silly children's pirate manga, but that doesn't make it feel any more real.

    What do you hold more rear the whimsical false reality of your youth or the ultimate acceptance of the actual reality of your adulthood.

    I guess you wouldn't know side haven't experimented the latter.

    Further evidenced by your completely witty and original use of my Autism. Quite profound friend.

    Stick to reading your manga and prefererring them becuase they make you feel "cultured" and "complex".

    Becuase no matter what you say, the world and characters of One Piece are as perfectly realized as anything you can come up with.

    Why else would the vast majority of the demographic of the series be adults? I'm inclined to believe that it's becuase despite how absurd the world is, it still feels real.

    Amd I think about 400 million others would agree with me.
    Call me a OP dick rider if you want , but this post was great

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    All of this but Luffy still has no character devlopment,that's what you get when spending much time and effort on minor characters i love one piece so dont call me a hater or something

    And what's wrong with being 16,it's not like you were born a grown man
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    Edited the post, less typos. It was terrible, fucking autocorrect.

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    I'm putting you on the ignore list. This utterly proves you people are as dense as concrete.

    Luffy has phenominal development. He doesn't have tons of progression...

    Its like you cant read. I already explained this.
    @Escanor;

    Please go look at the article. Maybe it can explain what character development means... I seem to have failed.
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    Bruh.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCree View Post
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    He doesn't have tons of progression...
    At least you're right about something, since he's turned back to being a degenerate.

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    He's still the same as he was bos

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    All this spouting of complexity this and that and it seems none of you have ever had to actually analyze something before.

    Really?!

    Youre telling me that the actual depth of a work is only apparent when you actually take the time to delve into it and not take it at face value.

    Probably why you automatically assume Vagabond had more depth than One Piece, because it seems to have more depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Escanor View Post
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    He's still the same as he was bos
    character development =/= character progression
    Luffy doesn't have CD because he doesn't need it

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    Character development does not mean how a character changes and grows. That is character progression. The article I posted perfectly explains it.
    @Zentos; @Escanor;

    One of my favorite films has its main protagonist arc full circle to the same position he was before.

    Go watch A Clockwork Orange (don't read it, Anthony Burgess has a different interpretation of how Alex should end up, changed or unchanged).

    It can be incredibly powerful to subvert the notion that a character must "change".

    And it again, has no real place in determining the strength of a character.

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    This guy gets it. He can actually read and interpret unlike you degenerates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JinbeiLEL View Post
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    character development =/= character progression
    Luffy doesn't have CD because he doesn't need it
    Of course he does. Anyone that's fine with him regressing as a character is just lying to himself. People point that shit all the time how he's doing worse than he was preskip, despite being shaken by Kizaru and Ace's death. But nah, let's go punch BM in the fact.

    @McCree;
    Neither will I read walls written by a retard like yourself who thinks OP is deep stuff, nor will I watch movies for autists.
    If you can't see that Luffy has regressed and become even more of an imbecile, despite getting multiple wake up calls...well, that pretty much suits you perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caves View Post
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    Stamina ≠ Energy, Nika-chan.

    Base Luffy no-diffed Sai, who has a Small City feat.

    Luffy had to exert himself to beat Bellamy, so Bellamy >= Sai.

    Netero is Town level, scaling from Youpi's rage blasts.

    Small City > Town.

    And being faster than eyes can't perceive isn't much.

    Kalifa before the timeskip could react to Lightning.
    From a biological standpoint it does. The energy you have is converted into stamina. So Stamina is a good measure of energy. Luffy didn't really have to exert himself to beat Bellamy. He was also already tired.

    but kalifa can't throw 2000 punches in 1 second?

    In any case I think Netero could apply nen in all sort of ways to beat Bellamy who really isn't that impressive.

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    @Escanor;

    My first pod should lay to rest you're qualms about developing "side" characters.

    Putting development into "side" characters is a driving force of making a world feel real. To know that not everything runs through and around the "main" characters.

    It expands upon the scope of the world.

    Remember that whilst Luffy is the main character and were following his journey, we are not following solely how Luffy carves himself through the world but how other characters and the world itself carves through Luffy.

    Things aren't black and white. The meld to grey. The world doesn't conform around our protagonist, nor does our Protagnist conform around the world. Luffy looks to place his own mark on the world.

    Yet another interpretation of how OP has more "depth" than various other stories.

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    The greatest film by possibly the greatest artist of the 20th century?

    Ok then...

    I have all the ammo I need.

    Thanks faggot.

    That post is also all the ammo I'll ever need to discredit your intelligence.

    You literally without apparently reading a word I said, discredited it, Adhomined me, and continued on your merry way.

    k then.
    @Zentos;

    Was this post short enough for your feeble mind to handle?

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    The greatest film by possibly the greatest artist of the 20th century?

    Ok then...

    I have all the ammo I need.

    Thanks faggot.

    That post is also all the ammo I'll ever need to discredit your intelligence.

    You literally without apparently reading a word I said, discredited it, Adhomined me, and continued on your merry way.

    k then.
    @Zentos;

    Was this post short enough for your feeble mind to handle?

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    The greatest film by possibly the greatest artist of the 20th century?

    Ok then...

    I have all the ammo I need.

    Thanks faggot.

    That post is also all the ammo I'll ever need to discredit your intelligence.

    You literally without apparently reading a word I said, discredited it, Adhomined me, and continued on your merry way.

    k then.
    @Zentos;

    Was this post short enough for your feeble mind to handle?

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    The greatest film by possibly the greatest artist of the 20th century?

    Ok then...

    I have all the ammo I need.

    Thanks faggot.

    That post is also all the ammo I'll ever need to discredit your intelligence.

    You literally without apparently reading a word I said, discredited it, Adhomined me, and continued on your merry way.

    k then.
    @Zentos;

    Was this post short enough for your feeble mind to handle?

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    The greatest film by possibly the greatest artist of the 20th century?

    Ok then...

    I have all the ammo I need.

    Thanks faggot.

    That post is also all the ammo I'll ever need to discredit your intelligence.

    You literally without apparently reading a word I said, discredited it, Adhomined me, and continued on your merry way.

    k then.
    @Zentos;

    Was this post short enough for your feeble mind to handle?

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    The greatest film by possibly the greatest artist of the 20th century?

    Ok then...

    I have all the ammo I need.

    Thanks faggot.

    That post is also all the ammo I'll ever need to discredit your intelligence.

    You literally without apparently reading a word I said, discredited it, Adhomined me, and continued on your merry way.

    k then.
    @Zentos;

    Was this post short enough for your feeble mind to handle?
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