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    Sabo should take this people are seriously underestimating Sabo . Its not that Jack is weak but Sabo should be good deal above him


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    Jack would wipe the floor with Jimbe..
    Yeah. I was just talking about endurance though.

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    I would hesitate to give it to Sabo. If he is around Jozu level as some suggest, he wouldn't have that performance in Dressrosa against Fujitora. Imagine Issho playing around with Jozu. He already proved he can clash with a serious Admiral, a stronger one too, most likely. So I don't think Sabo is at #2 commander level yet.

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    I guess you're right.

    BTW what do we know about the revolutionaries? Do we have some info/hype about some of their members? I mean except Sabo, Kuma and the russian faggot-king?
    Apparently they are divided in cells that operate individually as far as i concluded from Dragon. Dragon is probably the face of Revolutionaries and leader but every cell probably has their own leader who work independently and may or may not even like each other. It is pretty common system of operations in "terrorist" organizations. Like Dragon knows every leader but does not know anything else or their respective cell machinations. So if one cell falls it can't drag another.

    So Sabo is second in command to Dragon in their cell. But he can't command other cells.
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    What do you mean do I think Vergo could beat Sanji, it already happened in the manga.

    Zoro is stronger than Vergo, was the same seat level as Pica and Zoro effortlessly put him down.

    Zoro would beat Sanji with even less difficulty than he beat Pica.
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    No swordsmen can beat Doffy. The guy can stitch his internal organs after taking a Counter Shock hit, sword wounds are a piece of cake for him. Vista's Mihawk level Haki and base stats would probably push Doffy to high-difficulty though.
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    No swordsmen can beat Doffy with a sword. Plain and simple. It's same like beating Buggy with a sword or Jozu with a sword. It's impossible, use your brain.
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    Evidence is the anime filler and common sense.
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    Doffy>Jozu>Cracker.The Manga show´s it pretty clear
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    the last battle of MF Whitebeard where he KO'ed Akainu.
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    Doffy cannot fight Mihawk for even 5 minutes.
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    Even Base Teach was able to defeat that pre-prime Shanks.
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    Akainu couldn't continue fighting while WB could. Pretty clear cut to me.
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    Akainu, by some luck, didn't fall into the sea, he probably caught a piece of ground and cling onto it until he regained his consciousness.
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    I see the the battledome has seemingly gotten even more stupid or at least that's how it seems. No way in hell is Sabo putting jack down. Jack takes this handily. Get these misconstrued revolutionaries hype out of your minds. The Yonko are way harder as an overall force to deal with.

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    I see the the battledome has seemingly gotten even more stupid or at least that's how it seems. No way in hell is Sabo putting jack down. Jack takes this handily. Get these misconstrued revolutionaries hype out of your minds. The Yonko are way harder as an overall force to deal with.

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    I see the the battledome has seemingly gotten even more stupid or at least that's how it seems. No way in hell is Sabo putting jack down. Jack takes this handily. Get these misconstrued revolutionaries hype out of your minds. The Yonko are way harder as an overall force to deal with.

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    Sabo is overrated. The notion of Sabo being stronger than Luffy at this point in the story (75% over) is retarded. Sabo is at best Zoro level; honestly don't see how trashing a fodder like Burgess puts him at admiral level like some of you seem to fantasize.

    IF Sabo wins against Jack (and that's a big IF), it would be extreme diff.

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    Sabo should take this people are seriously underestimating Sabo . Its not that Jack is weak but Sabo should be good deal above him
    Nothing implicating he is a good deal above.

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    There's a lot of arguments here that surprise me.

    Firstly, the idea that the revolutionaries as a collective group would be significantly weaker than a yonko crew seems bizarre to me. Dragon and the revolutionaries are the biggest threat to the WG, and it would be absolutely stunning to me if they weren't at least in a similar ballpark to the yonko, especially seeing as they'll be relevant later in the story than most of the yonko crews.

    Secondly, the Sabo downplay is real. Until it is confirmed otherwise, its logical to assume he's Dragon's number 2 because of his position. He was already strong enough to at least tango with Fujitora even if he had no chance of winning, and he was still acclimatizing to a new fruit at that stage. There's no reason to assume he hasn't gotten stronger since then too since we've actually seen a manga panel of him training with his fruit.

    Thirdly, its pretty much confirmed at this stage that Jack is Kaido's number 4. We have a fairly decent grasp I think of where Jack would be power wise and I have to ask, what has he done that suggests he is significantly stronger than Sabo? We know he's reckless enough to attack a ship with Fujitora and Sengoku aboard, but he lost so I'm not sure what that says. As for his battle on Zou, we know he's a beast, but there's a whole lot of wiggle room between fighting Inu and Neko back to back over 5 days and fighting an admiral level character.

    Sabo as Dragon's number 2 plus all the things we know about his potential from's Ace's backstory plus consuming the Mera Mera just add up to me that he should be above Jack. I'm not saying its a easy battle or Jack doesn't give him a tough time, but I'd be surprised if he was on the wrong side of this result at this stage. I'd give it to Sabo probably extreme diff.
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    It doesn't matter what the goal of the Revolutionaries is. Just because Luffy wants to be Pirate King he isn't automatically Yonko lvl.
    The reason they are the biggest threat to the WG and why Dragon is the most wanted man is because their goal is specifically to destroy the WG as a whole. The Yonko don't care about something like that.

    We saw that Sabo was barely able to keep up with a non serious Fujitora and was lucky he received Aces fruit beforehand. The intang came in Handy for him against the gravity. If he is supposed to be the 2nd strongest it doesn't really look good for them in a direct confrontation with the Marines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalIce View Post
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    It doesn't matter what the goal of the Revolutionaries is. Just because Luffy wants to be Pirate King he isn't automatically Yonko lvl.
    The reason they are the biggest threat to the WG and why Dragon is the most wanted man is because their goal is specifically to destroy the WG as a whole. The Yonko don't care about something like that.

    We saw that Sabo was barely able to keep up with a non serious Fujitora and was lucky he received Aces fruit beforehand. The intang came in Handy for him against the gravity. If he is supposed to be the 2nd strongest it doesn't really look good for them in a direct confrontation with the Marines.
    As you say, just because Luffy wants to be Pirate King doesn't mean that he's Yonkou level, likewise, every person who wants to take down the WG isn't the most wanted man, only Dragon is. Which should mean that he actually has something to back up at least to some extent his threat (as a whole organization of course), and therefore Sabo should be considered with that in mind.

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    As you say, just because Luffy wants to be Pirate King doesn't mean that he's Yonkou level, likewise, every person who wants to take down the WG isn't the most wanted man, only Dragon is. Which should mean that he actually has something to back up at least to some extent his threat (as a whole organization of course), and therefore Sabo should be considered with that in mind.
    Sure but Dragon has already build up an army all over the world and actively tries to bring their whole system down. I don't doubt that he is on the same lvl as a Yonko or an Admiral. I just don't see why Sabo automatically has to be on the lvl of a Yonkos FM. He clearly wasn't able to do anything to Fujitora who was also new to his fruit and not even seriously fighting him. Sabo was also receiving his rank even without Aces fruit which makes him even less powerful.

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    I don't get how the whole Sabo vs Fuji thing is being used against him when neither went all out.

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    Sabo. Extreme diff imo.
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    I see Sabo as basically Ace with two extra years of training.

    Give Sabo some time to acclimate to his new fruit and I really don't see him losing this.
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    So we have Sabo, who has nearly no experience with his DF, up against Jack, who's probably Kaidou's right hand man? Should be a high-diff for Jack, until Sabo shows us something else.
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    There's a lot of arguments here that surprise me.

    Firstly, the idea that the revolutionaries as a collective group would be significantly weaker than a yonko crew seems bizarre to me. Dragon and the revolutionaries are the biggest threat to the WG, and it would be absolutely stunning to me if they weren't at least in a similar ballpark to the yonko, especially seeing as they'll be relevant later in the story than most of the yonko crews.
    How are they in a similar ballpark to Yonko when one of it's strongest members is Ivankov ?Not to downplay Iva here but he is nowhere near close to top commander level.Them wanting to overthrow the WG doesn't mean anything.

    Secondly, the Sabo downplay is real. Until it is confirmed otherwise, its logical to assume he's Dragon's number 2 because of his position. He was already strong enough to at least tango with Fujitora even if he had no chance of winning, and he was still acclimatizing to a new fruit at that stage. There's no reason to assume he hasn't gotten stronger since then too since we've actually seen a manga panel of him training with his fruit.
    You are at fault here to.Sabo was only able to tango with Fujitora because Fujitora allowed it.That was made pretty clear in the manga.

    Thirdly, its pretty much confirmed at this stage that Jack is Kaido's number 4. We have a fairly decent grasp I think of where Jack would be power wise and I have to ask, what has he done that suggests he is significantly stronger than Sabo? We know he's reckless enough to attack a ship with Fujitora and Sengoku aboard, but he lost so I'm not sure what that says. As for his battle on Zou, we know he's a beast, but there's a whole lot of wiggle room between fighting Inu and Neko back to back over 5 days and fighting an admiral level character.
    Jack still sunk 2 ships and he survived against an Admiral and the former fleet Admiral.He also took an island sized trunk and wasn't severely injured.How does Sabo compare to that ?

    Sabo as Dragon's number 2 plus all the things we know about his potential from's Ace's backstory plus consuming the Mera Mera just add up to me that he should be above Jack. I'm not saying its a easy battle or Jack doesn't give him a tough time, but I'd be surprised if he was on the wrong side of this result at this stage. I'd give it to Sabo probably extreme diff.
    Again Sabo has shown nothing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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    The Revolutionaries consist of the militaries of multiple countries and they are only growing. That's how they compete with the Emperors. Having a lot of people on their side.

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    Sabo is overrated. The notion of Sabo being stronger than Luffy at this point in the story (75% over) is retarded. Sabo is at best Zoro level; honestly don't see how trashing a fodder like Burgess puts him at admiral level like some of you seem to fantasize.

    IF Sabo wins against Jack (and that's a big IF), it would be extreme diff.
    Sabo would beat the dog shit out of Zoro.

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    Sabo is just like luffy gaining power each arc since he has the mera mera to master. I don't see Luffy surpassing him for at least 2 big arcs

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    How are they in a similar ballpark to Yonko when one of it's strongest members is Ivankov ?Not to downplay Iva here but he is nowhere near close to top commander level.Them wanting to overthrow the WG doesn't mean anything.
    Do we have confirmation that Iva is a top commander strength wise? Or is that just you taking his plot relevance as manga fact? On top of that, how much stronger are Inuarashi and Nekomamushi compared to Ivankov? Stronger I'd say with certainty, much stronger? Depends on how highly you regard Ivankov. Jack couldn't put either of them down and we know it wasn't for a lack of opportunity.

    You are at fault here to.Sabo was only able to tango with Fujitora because Fujitora allowed it.That was made pretty clear in the manga.
    I'm 'at fault'? Did I not just say I'm well aware that he had no chance of winning or are you just disregarding half of what I said to try and shove down my throat what I already know? Just to be at a level where he can spar with even a non-serious Fujitora puts him on a level with the yonko commanders. Or perhaps you think that Jack would be tough work for Fujitora, which from what we know currently seems a serious long shot.

    Jack still sunk 2 ships and he survived against an Admiral and the former fleet Admiral.He also took an island sized trunk and wasn't severely injured.How does Sabo compare to that ?
    Jack survived, congratulations to him. So Jack's feats here are getting destroyed by attacking two guys that he had no chance against and getting destroyed by a giant elephant. And for the record, the 'he survived' argument doesn't fly anywhere. Fujitora put him in the ocean, for all we know he probably thought he'd killed him.

    By the way, I don't dispute that Jack's durability is monstrous, its what makes him so unique compared to other characters around his level.

    Again Sabo has shown nothing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
    Well firstly, you've completely disregarded the fact that Sabo is clearly growing in strength right now and Jack is not. Sabo's a moving ball and on top of that, he's just consumed one of the strongest DFs in the manga and he's learning to utilize it effectively as we've seen on panel in the manga.

    Second, do you even consider what characters do and don't have?
    Jack's durability and endurance is on another level from what you'd expect from someone of his strength. Its outstanding. If this is about Jack outlasting Sabo or proving he has better stamina and endurance, I fold my hand to you. Jack takes it 100/100 times.

    Now let's talk about his destructive capacity and danger. He fought in 12 hour block periods against Inu and Neko for 5 days and he couldn't put either one down. We've not really seen anything ultra dangerous from him offensively even factoring in his DF. In his mammoth form, I'd have a hard time thinking he could land significant hits consistently on Sabo seeing as Sabo has logia intangibility and quite likely a speed edge even without it.
    Sabo on the other hand has one of the most devastating DF's in the whole manga. I know its easy and convenient to disregard this fact and just sidestep the fact that Jack is literally a giant target for Sabo to rain fire on, but its the classic thing of people not being able to look past one skirmish Sabo had against a character who is clearly superior to both of these guys.

    The idea that Sabo is significantly below Jack I think is ridiculous. Even if you think there is no reason to assume that Dragon's revolutionaries rival a yonko crew, which is fair, if you think the gap between Dragon's number 2 and Kaido's number 4 is significant, I'd say we've just reached an impasse.
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