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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanki View Post
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    Can't see Riboku dying before the final Zhao war.
    Plsno, I don't want to see Riboku appearing again after he was defeated.




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    While Ousen's men not all got a slash, they felt more monumental. Anyway:

    Gakuei goes for gold

    "northern ways", eh? Soso @Kanki; Hara at it again, better prepare for incoming ass-pull
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    Anyway, so long as Hara uses this arc to etablish them, rather than throw those two away to give Riboku another set of deputies from... under the sea next arc, it should be fine.
    He's a Moubu/Tou hybrid locked in the mountains for 20 years
    Tho srsly one can be 60% of Ouki, a GG but not be considered for GH so Hara has a bit of wiggle room

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    Plsno, I don't want to see Riboku appearing again after he was defeated.
    Riboku's gonna let Qin think they won this war. All part of his plan to make them enter deep into Zhao before getting gg'd

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    More like Qin really won so Riboku had to retreat and devise another strategy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Irregular View Post
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    Plsno, I don't want to see Riboku appearing again after he was defeated.
    At least have him lose with dignity - not like FD. Reminds me that somewhere down the line, we will get a Wei arc with GHM/Ranbi/Gaimou/Tenbow vs. Qin - I wonder how Hara will try to make this interesting.

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    He's a Moubu/Tou hybrid locked in the mountains for 20 years
    Tho srsly one can be 60% of Ouki, a GG but not be considered for GH so Hara has a bit of wiggle room
    That downplay Next chapter we'll see Tou rambling on how even Hakuki avoided Bananji in northern Zhao since his strategies are unbeatable in the mountains. And even more unbeatable on plains. Let's up the hype train a notch.


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    I honestly don't like this, both sides have new dudes that need to shine but one of them will look bad here.

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    Plsno, I don't want to see Riboku appearing again after he was defeated.
    If the promise that Shouheikun made to Ousen is what I think it is, then Zhao will be defeated without Riboku losing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cichy View Post
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    If the promise that Shouheikun made to Ousen is what I think it is, then Zhao will be defeated without Riboku losing.
    Interesting. What did you think it was?




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    Interesting. What did you think it was?

    Using Qin's spies in Zhao court to convince their king to strip Riboku from his supreme commander position in the middle of battle. That would make sense from historical point since

    in history Riboku/ Li Mu never lost a single war in his life.
    In the manga he technically lost the Coalition War, but Hara didn't make him the supreme commander to make it consistant with history.

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    At least have him lose with dignity - not like FD. Reminds me that somewhere down the line, we will get a Wei arc with GHM/Ranbi/Gaimou/Tenbow vs. Qin - I wonder how Hara will try to make this interesting.
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    Shin vs Gaimou.
    GHM loses to the CiC of Qin, though I don't know if that means GHM and Ranbihaku.
    3rd Qin General vs Bashuri (there's lots of ways for him to be hyped).

    Looking at that, I kind of think Ranbihaku will be independent of GHM, but it means the latter would need to be more aggressive rather than staying in his HQ.

    It's not ideal, but it's how I see it. Wei is probably the one state where I'm struggling to think of a way for Hara to make another ass pull and make sense of it. Only thing I can think of is if Hara has Wei poach a top general from Qi, with the reason perhaps being that General X's father + grandfather had suffered at the hands of Qin back in the first coalition, so the thought of an alliance angered him too much. Still kind of BS but still

    Unless Gohoumei has a younger brother lol. It's plausible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cichy View Post
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    Using Qin's spies in Zhao court to convince their king to strip Riboku from his supreme commander position in the middle of battle. That would make sense from historical point since

    in history Riboku/ Li Mu never lost a single war in his life.
    In the manga he technically lost the Coalition War, but Hara didn't make him the supreme commander to make it consistant with history.

    Okay, this is definitely plausible consideringhow idiotic the Zhao King is.




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    I honestly don't like this, both sides have new dudes that need to shine but one of them will look bad here.
    So we the readers can only win

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    Shin vs Gaimou.
    GHM loses to the CiC of Qin, though I don't know if that means GHM and Ranbihaku.
    3rd Qin General vs Bashuri (there's lots of ways for him to be hyped).
    Mouten vs. GHM; Ouhon or Kyoukai murders Ranbi; Shin Gaimou; HSU tenbows snipe Wei tenbow *fears*

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    Only thing I can think of is if Hara has Wei poach a top general from Qi, with the reason perhaps being that General X's father + grandfather had suffered at the hands of Qin back in the first coalition, so the thought of an alliance angered him too much. Still kind of BS but still
    Might, could, work.

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    Unless Gohoumei has a younger brother lol. It's plausible...
    Noooooooooo!


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    Quote Originally Posted by say-and-sing View Post
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    So we the readers can only win
    it depends on what side you're on

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    @Void; I thought it was given that readers win at the end of the day no matter what side they are on if they happen to have a side, what I would consider a loss to a reader is having to drop the manga at any point without reading it through to the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adage View Post
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    @Void; I thought it was given that readers win at the end of the day no matter what side they are on if they happen to have a side, what I would consider a loss to a reader is having to drop the manga at any point without reading it through to the end.
    I don't consider it a win because although I don't like either side of this particular engagement, Hara is going to trash one side to make the other look good (it's so forced) and I'm sick and tired of that. Hopefully this isn't another Makou/Kisui but I get the feeling it could most likely be.

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    Makou/Kisui has only just gotten started tho :/

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    I don't consider it a win because although I don't like either side of this particular engagement, Hara is going to trash one side to make the other look good (it's so forced) and I'm sick and tired of that. Hopefully this isn't another Makou/Kisui but I get the feeling it could most likely be.
    What if it's an even fight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanki View Post
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    Makou/Kisui has only just gotten started tho :/

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    What if it's an even fight?
    Then that wouldn't make Ouhon look good, which Hara isn't going to like.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanki View Post
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    Makou/Kisui has only just gotten started tho :/

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    What if it's an even fight?
    I highly doubt that'll be the case but the thing is, an even fight where three of the participants are unknowns doesn't tell me much. It's all about execution but on paper it doesn't look good.

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    Then that wouldn't make Ouhon look good, which Hara isn't going to like.
    *woikurus

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    I highly doubt that'll be the case but the thing is, an even fight where three of the participants are unknowns doesn't tell me much. It's all about execution but on paper it doesn't look good.

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    We know Ouhon is capable though. We saw that vs Eishi. Plus a stat of 93 which is probably 94 by now anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanki View Post
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    We know Ouhon is capable though. We saw that vs Eishi. Plus a stat of 93 which is probably 94 by now anyways.
    Indeed, but exactly because of that Earl Shi thing, expectations are skewed. One could "reasonably" expect him to kill any of these Zhao officers in a fight but a deadlock makes Zhao look good but Ouhon and seemingly Akou look bad imo.

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    Ah, before we know it Hara uses his teleport so Bananji and Ouhon never meet face to face. Problem solved.

    Let the other side or center duke it out, especially since Mouten needs some hype.


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