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  1. #41
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    So Whitebeard has never received the title of WSC, while Kaido has. So according to this logic, it should be Kaido > Whitebeard right ?
    No, what are you talking about?
    Kaido's title doesn't include Whitebeard, because Whitebeard isn't a living thing. He's dead.
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    No, what are you talking about?
    Kaido's title doesn't include Whitebeard, because Whitebeard isn't a living thing. He's dead.
    He is saying, since Whitebeard was the strongest guy around after Roger's death, why didn't he recieve the WSC title but WSM instead. Kinda bothers me to this question.

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    He is saying, since Whitebeard was the strongest guy around after Roger's death, why didn't he recieve the WSC title but WSM instead. Kinda bothers me to this question.
    Whitebeard presumably was the strongest living thing. But it's easier and more natural just to call him the strongest man, because most of his competition was other men (I doubt Kaido was very close to him at the time, and I don't know if Zunisha is close to him either).

    Here's an analogy. Suppose you think that Einstein was the smartest man in his time. You could also call him the world's smartest living thing, but you wouldn't bother, because he's competing with humans.

    Kaido gets called the strongest living thing because he can't have the strongest man title, since he's not a man.
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    Whitebeard presumably was the strongest living thing. But it's easier and more natural just to call him the strongest man, because most of his competition was other men (I doubt Kaido was very close to him at the time, and I don't know if Zunisha is close to him either).

    Here's an analogy. Suppose you think that Einstein was the smartest man in his time. You could also call him the world's smartest living thing, but you wouldn't bother, because he's competing with humans.

    Kaido gets called the strongest living thing because he can't have the strongest man title, since he's not a man.
    Makes sense. I get the analogy and all that. What bothered me was the bolded part really. If we consider Kaido to be human or some other race.

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    Makes sense. I get the analogy and all that. What bothered me was the bolded part really. If we consider Kaido to be human or some other race.
    We know he's not human. Nami stated he's not.
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    We know he's not human. Nami stated he's not.
    I see. Thanks for clearing things out Barrel.

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    We know he's not human. Nami stated he's not.
    So she nows that he's not human from who?

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    So she nows that he's not human from who?
    From Law.
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    Kaido high-diffs.

    Garp may have stated that all Yonkos are considered equals, but that was a long time ago and it's only a characters statement about what people consider.
    Kaido is also considered to be the strongest by people, but that info was given in an infobox (infobox>garp) and it's more recent.

    IMO Akainu and Kuzan were portrayed as nearly equals, that's why the fight was extreme diff. Big Moms portrayal wasn't nearly equal to Kaidos. She stomped a bunch of giants being 5yo and was described as almost invulnerable and unstopable while in rage modus, pretty impressive ok.
    But Kaido was described as literally invulnerable, to point that out Oda made him even wanting to kill himself. His strength was also highlighted (strongest creature) and people are supposed to bet on him if its a 1vs1.
    Kaidos portrayal > Big Moms portrayal.

    Also, the bet-part is pretty clear to me. There is no "sure bet" when your side wins with extreme diff.
    In a league with a bunch of sportsmen, a top-player with 3 equals which he can only beat with extreme-diff isn't a sure bet at all.

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    Makes sense. I get the analogy and all that. What bothered me was the bolded part really. If we consider Kaido to be human or some other race.
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    We know he's not human. Nami stated he's not.
    Wouldn't it make sense if he also has some kind of fishmen blood? Would be a bit awkward if Kaido didn't think about drowning himself if he can't breath under water...
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    Kaido high-diffs.
    Garp may have stated that all Yonkos are considered equals, but that was a long time ago and it's only a characters statement about what people consider.
    Kaido is also considered to be the strongest by people, but that info was given in an infobox (infobox>garp) and it's more recent.
    IMO Akainu and Kuzan were portrayed as nearly equals, that's why the fight was extreme diff. Big Moms portrayal wasn't nearly equal to Kaidos. She stomped a bunch of giants being 5yo and was described as almost invulnerable and unstopable while in rage modus, pretty impressive ok.
    But Kaido was described as literally invulnerable, to point that out Oda made him even wanting to kill himself. His strength was also highlighted (strongest creature) and people are supposed to bet on him if its a 1vs1.
    Kaidos portrayal > Big Moms portrayal.
    Also, the bet-part is pretty clear to me. There is no "sure bet" when your side wins with extreme diff.
    In a league with a bunch of sportsmen, a top-player with 3 equals which he can only beat with extreme-diff isn't a sure bet at all.
    Wouldn't it make sense if he also has some kind of fishmen blood? Would be a bit awkward if Kaido didn't think about drowning himself if he can't breath under water...
    Garp was talking about the power of the yonkou, not their individual strength. They're "the four most powerful pirates", "on the same level". We already know that they're not all equals in strength, and that they're not the four strongest pirates.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Kaido did try drowning himself, and it didn't work. Maybe his lung capacity is too great, and he got bored. Or maybe his immortality prevented him from dying or something.


    And yeah,

    "None can doubt that in a one on one fight, Kaido will always be the victor"

    pretty much means that it's not an extreme diff fight.
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    Big Mom by a mile. Both have pretty high durabilty but if Kaidous spirit waves at any given moment she will lrobably take his soul. Plus she has a DF, as far as brute strenght. BM was burning down Elbaf at age 5.

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    We know he's not human. Nami stated he's not.
    No she didnt.

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    Kaido high-diffs.

    Garp may have stated that all Yonkos are considered equals, but that was a long time ago and it's only a characters statement about what people consider.
    Kaido is also considered to be the strongest by people, but that info was given in an infobox (infobox>garp) and it's more recent.

    IMO Akainu and Kuzan were portrayed as nearly equals, that's why the fight was extreme diff. Big Moms portrayal wasn't nearly equal to Kaidos. She stomped a bunch of giants being 5yo and was described as almost invulnerable and unstopable while in rage modus, pretty impressive ok.
    But Kaido was described as literally invulnerable, to point that out Oda made him even wanting to kill himself. His strength was also highlighted (strongest creature) and people are supposed to bet on him if its a 1vs1.
    Kaidos portrayal > Big Moms portrayal.

    Also, the bet-part is pretty clear to me. There is no "sure bet" when your side wins with extreme diff.
    In a league with a bunch of sportsmen, a top-player with 3 equals which he can only beat with extreme-diff isn't a sure bet at all.




    Wouldn't it make sense if he also has some kind of fishmen blood? Would be a bit awkward if Kaido didn't think about drowning himself if he can't breath under water...
    The problem is Kaido showed unlike Jack no Fishmen traits and not even his teeths are suspicious. Maybe Kaido is the strongest and rarest breed of a Race mixed with the greatest Mythical Zoan that has a special ability among Zoans like Blackbeards Darkness fruit has among other logias.

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    I didn't say mid diff overall you dishonest fucking cunt






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    Quote Originally Posted by barreltheif View Post
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    I wouldn't be surprised if Kaido did try drowning himself, and it didn't work. Maybe his lung capacity is too great, and he got bored. Or maybe his immortality prevented him from dying or something.
    haha that could actually really be the case, would be Odas style

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    The problem is Kaido showed unlike Jack no Fishmen traits and not even his teeths are suspicious. Maybe Kaido is the strongest and rarest breed of a Race mixed with the greatest Mythical Zoan that has a special ability among Zoans like Blackbeards Darkness fruit has among other logias.
    you're right
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    "None can doubt that in a one on one fight, Kaido will always be the victor"

    pretty much means that it's not an extreme diff fight.
    Who actually said this? If it was just 'people', then take it as hype that may or not be true since it sounds more like reputation/legend surrounding him, rather than cannon fact. Unless it was specifically stated by Oda or characters of note.

    I can't remember so....

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    Who actually said this? If it was just 'people', then take it as hype that may or not be true since it sounds more like reputation/legend surrounding him, rather than cannon fact. Unless it was specifically stated by Oda or characters of note.
    I can't remember so....
    Nope, it was the narrator.
    Narrator: None can doubt that in a one on one fight, Kaido will always be the victor.
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    Garp was talking about the power of the yonkou, not their individual strength. They're "the four most powerful pirates", "on the same level". We already know that they're not all equals in strength, and that they're not the four strongest pirates.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Kaido did try drowning himself, and it didn't work. Maybe his lung capacity is too great, and he got bored. Or maybe his immortality prevented him from dying or something.


    And yeah,

    "None can doubt that in a one on one fight, Kaido will always be the victor"

    pretty much means that it's not an extreme diff fight.
    What do you mean by "they're not the four strongest pirates"?

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    Kaido middling high diff.

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    What do you mean by "they're not the four strongest pirates"?
    Was there something unclear? Garp said they're the four most powerful and equal in power, but not that they're equal in strength or the four strongest. We know that WB > Kaido > the others, and that Mihawk > Shanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barreltheif View Post
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    Mihawk > Shanks.




    Shanks's rivals ;

    Whitebeard




    Kaido





    Akainu




    Mihawk's rivals ;







    You need to be incredibly dense to not see the huge fucking difference here.
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