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    Just how close was Keisha?

    To being genuine GH/6G level? Or in another way, from not looking out of place next to Kanki/Ousen/Moubu/Yotanwa/Tou?

    Had he survived Kokuyou and learned from his mistake, was that all he needed to reach that level?

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    No I doubt he could've really reached that level anyway. He was having fun on the battlefield but he was lacking faith/loyalty/genuine love for it and it held him back compared to the others who were able to whole heartedly dedicate themselves to war. He was also unable to match them in a duel

    He might have temporarily and circumstancially reached a point where he'd have been a threat to Kanki at that battle but he wouldn't have elevated himself to the Qin6 level

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    He needs at least another 5 years of experience and growth.

    88/90/91

    nvm, his stats are like this when he's already A in experience. He probably isn't going to cut it for being a 3GH/6GG level unless they lower the standard.

    An upgrade in experience usually gives 3 points plus in the stats. Keisha and Ouhon got 3 points boost from one letter experience. Mouten got 4 points.

    Keisha at S experience could only been something like 88/92/93.

    While someone like Ouhon could been

    Experience: B (93/88/89)
    Experience: A (94/90/90)
    Experience: S (95/91/92)

    Mouten

    Experience: B (89/88/91)
    Experience: A (90/89/93)
    Experience: S (91/91/95)

    minimum upgrade

    Unless the points from experience A to S gives like 5-6 instead for the balanced guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dai Don Dedede View Post
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    No I doubt he could've really reached that level anyway. He was having fun on the battlefield but he was lacking faith/loyalty/genuine love for it and it held him back compared to the others who were able to whole heartedly dedicate themselves to war. He was also unable to match them in a duel
    I think he had a genuine, sadistic love for battle, hearing his enemies geeting crushed.

    The main problem imo is that Keisha seems extremely passive. As long as the enemy throws himself against Keisha, he can trap him and work with it. So The Duke was the perfect match. Yet Kanki, who switched to staying passive himself, immediately fucked Keisha up. And even if Keisha had survived Kokuyou, he probably could learn to control himself better. Yet I have a hard time Keisha actually growing to a point where he can be the one giving input and controlling the battlefield, becoming versatile enough.


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    91 intelligence doesn't take account his instincts; his comprehensive abilities probably makes him equal to 93-94 intelligence guys. Good enough to give Kanki some trouble. Still not 3GH or 6GG level and would never be. He'd probably make the Fire Dragons though.

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    His problem is that the enemy will have the initiative in almost all battles with him since he'll be countering enemy move instead of moving himself

    Duke probably has the same problem, but he "deal with it" by charging himself as bait (which is destructive enough as it is) or sacrificing soldiers to bait the enemy

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    88/90/91
    He's closer to Fire Worm level that GH tbh



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    He was able to figure out Kanki's weakness, unfortunatelly he didn't lived long enouth to use that against him, bacause of HSU. Still, very nice feat in my opinion.

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    While I actually agree with those that said we would be closer to fire dragon level than GH/6GG Level, Keisha in my opinion was a very dangerous general to fuck with, his weakness was not actually that bad as far as weaknesses go, compared to his strength. I think he could easily have made fire dragon level and could even give some of the Qin 6 some trouble depending on the circumstances. Kanki was just a bad counter for him and a really, really incredible general on his own.

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    He needs at least another 5 years of experience and growth.

    88/90/91

    nvm, his stats are like this when he's already A in experience. He probably isn't going to cut it for being a 3GH/6GG level unless they lower the standard.

    An upgrade in experience usually gives 3 points plus in the stats. Keisha and Ouhon got 3 points boost from one letter experience. Mouten got 4 points.

    Keisha at S experience could only been something like 88/92/93.

    While someone like Ouhon could been

    Experience: B (93/88/89)
    Experience: A (94/90/90)
    Experience: S (95/91/92)

    Mouten

    Experience: B (89/88/91)
    Experience: A (90/89/93)
    Experience: S (91/91/95)

    minimum upgrade

    Unless the points from experience A to S gives like 5-6 instead for the balanced guys.
    How the heck Ouhon's STR growth rates only +1 for each upgrade? when he got +4 on 2 guidebooks
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    How the heck Ouhon's STR growth rates only +1 for each upgrade? where he got +4 on 2 guidebooks
    Strength should be harder to raise the higher you are.





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    Strength should be harder to raise the higher you are.
    Not in Ouhon case since his stats spread is more toward strength than intelligence, EOS is around Renpa-Ouki level of strength with general and great general promotion stats boost

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    Not in Ouhon case since his stats spread is more toward strength than intelligence, EOS is around Renpa-Ouki level of strength with general and great general promotion stats boost
    So (98/88/89)?

    I don't think so.





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    So (98/88/89)?

    I don't think so.
    You need to factor General promotion is more toward leadership plus with his consistent STR stats growth rate
    +2 str and +2 leadership is guaranteed at this point and leaving his INT in unknown bracket

    GG stats 97/92/91

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    You need to factor General promotion is more toward leadership plus with his consistent STR stats growth rate
    +2 str and +2 leadership is guaranteed at this point and leaving his INT in unknown bracket

    GG stats 97/92/91
    I'll just come out and say that the stats I've listed above doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

    Mouten and Ouhon should have potential rivlaling their fathers' so their EoS stats, imo, should be something like

    Mouten (93/96/98)
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    I'll just come out and say that the stats I've listed above doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

    Mouten and Ouhon should have potential rivlaling their fathers' so their EoS stats, imo, should be something like

    Mouten (93/96/98)
    Ouhon (97-98/94/95)
    Yeah EOS would be a different story since both of them still very young

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    he was too arrogant and rather one dimensional with his style, not versatile or competent enough to compare to the others


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    he was already pretty much up there and better than most of the qin bolids you mentioned

    one doesn't destroy duke hyou in battle while being any less than a top tier


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispinianus View Post
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    he was already pretty much up there and better than most of the qin bolids you mentioned

    one doesn't destroy duke hyou in battle while being any less than a top tier
    Good thing he never destroyed the Duke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispinianus View Post
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    he was already pretty much up there and better than most of the qin bolids you mentioned

    one doesn't destroy duke hyou in battle while being any less than a top tier
    More like the Duke destroyed him



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