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  1. #41
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    Poor Ousen will lose both his right hand and left hand and then he will have to rely on Ousen, Mouten and Shin

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    mouten and gakuei were

    ousen is just the usual brat, so very little deserving of mouten's praise. For some reason, the akou and the former 3GH retinue hype weren't as overwhelming as they wanted to be, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Nobody wants kingdom to turn into an inconsistent powercreep. The actual issue is that Ouhon and the other newgens have already fought much more fearsome enemies and came out victorious. This is something that's gonna be hard to handle in this battle.
    Ousen is a brat?

    Honestly it seems silly because I am not even sure Akou is on Ouhon's level. He seems to be a brute type but not really all that impressive strengthwise based on what we have seen. Pretty sure Earl Shi would demolish him.

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    Atheist are not even 2%!

    Atheists don't even breed!

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    Of course they do, they pick up shit like psychology, philosophy and art, because they can't finish any decent major. They can't contribute to society in any way. Freeloaders, nothing else.
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    Grasping for air is much worse than losing half of the head.
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    Uhm, yes?
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    Big Mom's probably weaker than all the admirals, Marco and King as well.
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    Rare events are a dime a dozen.
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    True. Mihawk is stronger than both Shanks and Akainu. He can win against this version of Whitebeard with high or extreme difficulty.
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    Ha, yeah. Steven Hawking never did anything to better humanity's place on this earth.
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    There's no such thing as free education. But even if it did exist... it would be awful.
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    That CUNT SpiRo can get the fuck out. The act of watching graphic stuff like that is not in and of itself bad. Ive always had a fascination with snuff and disturbing films. If youre going to argue that im not a good person or whatever because of that, then i guess every single person who likes action movies, manga, sports or anything that contains physical combat and violence must also be the same. There is a distinction between having an INTEREST in something and ADVOCATING or APPROVING of it.
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    Akainu is stronger than Shanks though
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    What do you mean do I think Vergo could beat Sanji, it already happened in the manga.

    Zoro is stronger than Vergo, was the same seat level as Pica and Zoro effortlessly put him down.

    Zoro would beat Sanji with even less difficulty than he beat Pica.
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    No swordsmen can beat Doffy. The guy can stitch his internal organs after taking a Counter Shock hit, sword wounds are a piece of cake for him. Vista's Mihawk level Haki and base stats would probably push Doffy to high-difficulty though.
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    No swordsmen can beat Doffy with a sword. Plain and simple. It's same like beating Buggy with a sword or Jozu with a sword. It's impossible, use your brain.
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    Evidence is the anime filler and common sense.
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    Doffy>Jozu>Cracker.The Manga show´s it pretty clear
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    Mihawk has more Hype,better portrayal and the better feats.

    Aokiji had problems with Jozu.

    Mihawk is also for now the strongest Char in the Series.Thats for sure
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    The World know that Mihawk is the WSS.He is just as famous and dangerous as the yonkous.The only difference is that he has no crew
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    the last battle of MF Whitebeard where he KO'ed Akainu.
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    Doffy cannot fight Mihawk for even 5 minutes.
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    Even Base Teach was able to defeat that pre-prime Shanks.
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    Akainu couldn't continue fighting while WB could. Pretty clear cut to me.
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    Yes Fujitora is one of the fastest characters in the world if you did not know well you learned something today.
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    Zoro>Vergo>Smoker>Sanji
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    Akainu, by some luck, didn't fall into the sea, he probably caught a piece of ground and cling onto it until he regained his consciousness.
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    Also we know that BM already defeated Kaido at least once or even twice.
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    So OuHon's weight is already HEAVIER than Duke Hyou's.
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    No, it has nothing to do with 'imports' or whatever. Half the fault falls on the one being rapped rather than the one rapping. I mean, it's like putting a tasty pizza with mayo on it in front of the hungry you, switch on the quite music, prepare the drinks, and yet ask you no to eat it.
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    okey.
    So, Shanks is the protege of the PK? and Mihawk is the protege of the Apes king ? both of them were on the same ship idiot, not even a hint on who Roger preferred from the both in the manga, and when did i fucking say that Shanks has no potential, didn't even say that he falls to Mihawk in that aspect, i'm merely saying that we can say who.

    Monkey, Mihawk said that he ain't fighting Shanks in that specific meeting of their, and it was in a sarcastic way of denying because he didn't come for fighting unlike usual, he came for showing him Luffy's poster.
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    Every CoA is hardening but not every hardening is CoA
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    Retard, Shanks lost deliberately to that marine snake. Why would he want to heal his lost arm.
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    I understand you want to pride yourself with my sayings in ur sig but don't overdo it, ur sig reeks shit so it doesn't stand to it.
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    Of course my sig reeks of shit when i have you in my sig.
    DreX "making fun" of serious religion Pastafarianism..

  4. #44
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    This chapter just enforced what i have always thought... of all the new gen commanders Mouten is the most complete, he views the entire battle field, doesn't mind the support role in order to get things done.... shin cares too much about getting a generals head and he has his flaws, but he has so many talented vassals that well covers those flaws, and the fact that he leads all these people makes him formidable..... i think Ouhon lacks the most, while it is easy to wank over his achievement in the FD war, that plan was unnecessarily risky and illogical, the only reason Tou accepted that is because Tou is more focused on developing the younger gen than his own achievement imo... if i had to choose one of them to fight under me as a general it would be Mouten>shin>Ouhon.... In Ouhon defense he only exhibits these behaviors when Ousen is involved...
    Eh I would only put Shin over Ouhon because he has Kyoukai with him. Remove Kyoukai who is basically new gen level by herself which is unfair and i take Ouhon over him very very handily. Remove Ten too and lol.... Shin is pretty much worthless without those two, just a dumb brute sadly.

    As for who is most useful as a sub. It depends on what general is using them. Ousen can't afford to have subs doing their own things because it could interfere with his grand scheme but someone like Duke would prefer an Ouhon over Mouten.

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    Although it has been a while since i read coalition arc, i remember Mouten was the first to react to hakurei, leaving Hakurei to his Vices would have been too dangerous for roukumi and tou while fighting Rinbukun.... that might have influenced the whole battle field... like i said in Ouhon defense he displays most of his flaws when ousen is involved.... i still believe the best rounded unit is moutens, while shin is the most flawed commander kyoukai, ten and now possibly naki makes up for that.... Btw lots of lip service when shin questioned Ousen but no one saying anything to Ouhon disrespecting his superiors battle plans and telling them to redo it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felixng2015 View Post
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    Ousen is a brat?

    Honestly it seems silly because I am not even sure Akou is on Ouhon's level. He seems to be a brute type but not really all that impressive strengthwise based on what we have seen. Pretty sure Earl Shi would demolish him.

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    So Zhao's left wing is already moving in sight and now their commanders exchange names and positions... and Gakuei becomes even worse so Hara can hype.

    Yet perhaps Bananji has taken out Houken already, replacing him in the long run

    Anyway, solid, but nothing amazing.

    Btw. I sure hope this whole "expectations" thingy is not meant to pull off Ouhon being of the lower branch, best yet Ouki's son. Then again, as if Ousen would discard the son of Ouki.
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    Ousen is a brat?

    Honestly it seems silly because I am not even sure Akou is on Ouhon's level. He seems to be a brute type but not really all that impressive strengthwise based on what we have seen. Pretty sure Earl Shi would demolish him.
    But we haven't seen anything from Akou. He is blank slate currently.
    It is too early to dismiss him in favor of Earl Shi.
    P.S.: Not that it matters because Ouhon himself isn't on Earl Shi's level. He got lucky that Earl Shi had a death wish.

  9. #49
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    But we haven't seen anything from Akou. He is blank slate currently.
    It is too early to dismiss him in favor of Earl Shi.
    P.S.: Not that it matters because Ouhon himself isn't on Earl Shi's level. He got lucky that Earl Shi had a death wish.
    True he isn't but he is still a 93 martial guy, maybe stronger at this point. This puts him at Rinko/Rinbukun level martially at least and he has more brains than a Rinbukun. Is Akou greater than a Rinko or Rinbukun martially or overall? It remains to be seen.

  10. #50
    Kanki has Zenou, Raido, Maron, Koku ou, Ring Yoku, Chuki and those messed up clans on his side.

    Ousen has Akou and Makou.

    These two better be monsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by say-and-sing View Post
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    So Zhao's left wing is already moving in sight and now their commanders exchange names and positions... and Gakuei becomes even worse so Hara can hype.

    Yet perhaps Bananji has taken out Houken already, replacing him in the long run

    Anyway, solid, but nothing amazing.

    Btw. I sure hope this whole "expectations" thingy is not meant to pull off Ouhon being of the lower branch, best yet Ouki's son. Then again, as if Ousen would discard the son of Ouki.
    if ouhon ended up being the son of ouki and kyou...

    :suicide

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    Quote Originally Posted by convict View Post
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    Kanki has Zenou, Raido, Maron, Koku ou, Ring Yoku, Chuki and those messed up clans on his side.

    Ousen has Akou and Makou.

    These two better be monsters.
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  13. #53
    comparing people to Earl Shi is a bit too hard isn't it?

    Earl Shi is one of the best great general of a state. to a lesser extent it's the same way how 6GG was Qin's best Great generals.
    Measuring someone to earl shi should be done to a GG materials. Akou/Makou and also Ouhon and other new generations aren't really at that level yet.
    Of course Ouhon killed Earl Shi, but we all know it's a bullshit plot armor, PIS, etc taking play mostly

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    Kanki has Zenou, Raido, Maron, Koku ou, Ring Yoku, Chuki and those messed up clans on his side.

    Ousen has Akou and Makou.

    These two better be monsters.
    Well considering ousen only recruiting talents like mouten, these two is quite possibly monster level indeed. Their soldier suppose to be crazy strong too if we following that hype.

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    comparing people to Earl Shi is a bit too hard isn't it?

    Earl Shi is one of the best great general of a state. to a lesser extent it's the same way how 6GG was Qin's best Great generals.
    Measuring someone to earl shi should be done to a GG materials. Akou/Makou and also Ouhon and other new generations aren't really at that level yet.
    Of course Ouhon killed Earl Shi, but we all know it's a bullshit plot armor, PIS, etc taking play mostly

    Ouhon not only killed earl shi he also routed entire Wei's right flank armies including Earl shi elites and Wei army, Unlike Shin who got lucky killed on Reiou and unable to take Gaimou's army head on and resulting in asking Ryukoku for backup

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    comparing people to Earl Shi is a bit too hard isn't it?

    Earl Shi is one of the best great general of a state. to a lesser extent it's the same way how 6GG was Qin's best Great generals.
    Measuring someone to earl shi should be done to a GG materials. Akou/Makou and also Ouhon and other new generations aren't really at that level yet.
    Of course Ouhon killed Earl Shi, but we all know it's a bullshit plot armor, PIS, etc taking play mostly
    Plot armor or not Ouhon is way too competent at this point to be treated like chopped liver. People are still talking about Rinko and Kaishibou like legends and beasts which they sort of are and Ouhon is at that level or higher at this point. Its really not believable.

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    So Zhao's left wing is already moving in sight and now their commanders exchange names and positions... and Gakuei becomes even worse so Hara can hype.

    Yet perhaps Bananji has taken out Houken already, replacing him in the long run

    Anyway, solid, but nothing amazing.

    Btw. I sure hope this whole "expectations" thingy is not meant to pull off Ouhon being of the lower branch, best yet Ouki's son. Then again, as if Ousen would discard the son of Ouki.
    Ouhon is definitely Ousen's son otherwise he would have been killed as a child. I think Ousen does not like that Ouhon is actually more like Ouki as a general. He is not a strategical general who takes calculated risked but more like Ouki. A guy with brains but is more martial focused who leads head on.
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    hon, not sen

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    Ouhon may be a brat but at this point he is competent and strong enough that he shouldn't be treated like a scrub. I am not even sure if this Akou or Makou or whatever his name is is as good as Kaishibou and I don't think he is even as good as Ouhon as a commander. He seems a brute but I have a hard time believing he is much better than a Rinbukun strength wise.

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    Ousen downplaying Mouten and Ouhon of all people...

    Did he not receive the news on the battle of Chiyoyo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by felixng2015 View Post
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    Ouhon may be a brat but at this point he is competent and strong enough that he shouldn't be treated like a scrub. I am not even sure if this Akou or Makou or whatever his name is is as good as Kaishibou and I don't think he is even as good as Ouhon as a commander. He seems a brute but I have a hard time believing he is much better than a Rinbukun strength wise.
    that's precisely what i said in the post you quoted just pointing out the typo

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    Plot armor or not Ouhon is way too competent at this point to be treated like chopped liver. People are still talking about Rinko and Kaishibou like legends and beasts which they sort of are and Ouhon is at that level or higher at this point. Its really not believable.
    I agree at that, didn't what Akou said pretty much confirm that he acknowledge that Ouhon is a competent guy who is needed when the time is right?

    He's pretty much saying that Ouhon and Gyouku Hou shouldn't waste his strength in the opening engagement since he's going to be needed in an important part later

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    I agree at that, didn't what Akou said pretty much confirm that he acknowledge that Ouhon is a competent guy who is needed when the time is right?

    He's pretty much saying that Ouhon and Gyouku Hou shouldn't waste his strength in the opening engagement since he's going to be needed in an important part later
    Just bizarre Ousen doesn't expect much. It doesn't make much sense even if he thinks of Ouhon as reckless.

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