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    CyK 5 - Signup and game thread

    Let's get another one going since I'm kinda bored

    Each player has 300 points to spend. There will be x hours of open bids where you bid in thread and y hours of silent bids, where you pm your final bids to me. You can bid as many times as you want in open (no editing posts), but silent bids are limited to one bid per character. BOLD YOUR BIDS IN THREAD. There is also a minimum bid that increases for every 10 points, players must add +2 points to their bid if the current bid is between 10 and 19, +3 for 20 to 29, +4 for 30, +5 for 40 and up. Minimum bid is doubled during silent bidding

    Current Bid
    Minimum increase (Normal) Minimum increase (Silent)
    1-9 +1 +2
    10-19 +2 +4
    20-29 +3 +6
    30-39 +4 +8
    40+ +5 +10



    Main roster:

    Kanmei:
    Shouheikun:
    Ouki:
    Kanki:
    Tou:
    Karin: 10k Karin elites
    Yotanwa: 10k mountain men
    Ordo: 10k mountain climbers
    Renpa:
    Seikai: 1000 poison corps
    Riboku: 10k special Zhao Cavalry
    Gohoumei: 1000 Wei war chariots
    Gekishin: 10k poison cats and/or poison dogs (can get some of both but total is capped at 10k like the rest)
    Gokei: 1000 Wei war chariots
    Duke Hyou: 10k Duke elites
    Mangoku:
    Kaishibou:
    Earl Shi: 500 Wei war chariots
    Genbou: 500 Wei war chariots
    Kyouen:
    Kyuugen: 500 Wei war chariots
    Rinko:
    Keisha:
    Ryuukoku:
    Zenou: 5k berserk troops
    Bajio: 5k mountain men
    Kisui 5k Rigan troops
    Rokuomi:
    Fuuki:
    Raido: 5k bandits
    Shin: 5k of the HSU
    Ten: 5k HSU
    Mouten: 5k of his unit
    Kaine: 5k special Zhao cavalry
    Ouhon: 5k of his unit
    Maron: 5k bandits
    Kokuou: 5k bandits
    Kouyoku: 5k of his unit
    Hakurei: 5k of his unit
    Kyoukai: 3k of the HSU, has PD but return dance restricted.
    Shoumou
    Rinbukun
    Kanou
    Ranbihaku
    Ryuutou
    Rihaku
    Batei
    Chousou
    Heki
    Choutou
    Reiou
    Houken
    Moubu:
    Ousen:
    Gaimou
    Kousonryuu
    Junsou
    Kaioku
    Kyou
    Mougou


    special:
    -Kanki can opt to have his soldiers switched out for bandits, as many as needed but they are not elites
    -Mangoku can have up to 10k of his soldiers become zombies, but they are not elites so you don't have to buy them

    Bonus roster:

    Gakuei
    Kinmou
    Domon
    Hakukisai
    SBK
    SSK
    Kourigen
    Eibi
    Doukin
    Futei: 3k unit
    Kanjou: 1k Ouhon unit
    Gika
    Rankai
    Gakujou
    Rinbou
    Shunmen: 5k mountain men
    Tajifu 5k mountain men
    Hyoushiga: 5k black cavalry unit



    These bonus characters can be bought after main auction is done, minimum price is 2 points a character and you silent bid for them.

    Gameplay:
    going with the host system: where a player hosts two other players who are the ones facing off against each other. The two players send their strats to the host and the host determines in thread which one does the best against his. I want this to be the guideline for judging said strats:

    key engagements: average of all fronts/10
    -front 1 score/10
    -front 2 score/10
    -front 3 score/10
    -front x score/10
    (under each would be how each army fared against the host's army, like is sending x against y at z good?)


    overall personnel usage: score/10
    (stuff like "was it a good idea to send Moubu with a strategist in the forest instead of having him on the plains?" or "was it a good idea to have Keisha lead an attack force instead of defending", different from the key engagements/fronts in that you don't judge if they can win or how they match up against the host, but you judge utility: why/where they were sent and if they were playing to their strengths/diminishing their weaknesses or not


    overall terrain usage: score/10
    (stuff like "did the player use the strategic points on the map well enough, did he capture and defend the hills/mountains or did he use a chokepoint like a river crossing correctly?")


    overall prep: score/10
    (not just considering their prep clauses and general clauses but stuff like "did they read their opponent well enough to place a brute to counter a brute in the plains or did they make the proper contingencies to account for x circumstances?")


    add up all the scores/40


    you don't have to use that method but YOU ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR JUDGING. I want every player to get at least one match in and one match hosted. Host will pm their strat first to a designated middle man before players pm their strats to the host. Strat layout remains the same as the mid tiers game until further notice.

    Players and rosters:

    Void-0
    Kanmei 90 Void
    Raido 10 Void
    Genbou 10 Void
    Moubu 89 Void
    Renpa 89 Void
    Zenou 12 Void

    Alias-2
    Ouhon 30 alias
    Reiou 25 alias
    Rinko 30 alias
    Kyuugen 12 alias
    Batei 12 alias
    Rokuomi 20 alias
    Ryuukoku 20 alias
    Kyoukai 17 alias
    SHK 50 alias
    Hakukisai 5 alias
    SSK 5 alias
    Kourigen 5 alias
    Rankai 22 alias
    Gakujou 22 alias
    Rinbou 5 alias
    Tajifu 5 alias
    Gika 5 alias
    Hyoushiga 5 alias
    Kinmou 3 alias


    Crispy-0
    Ten 11 Crispy
    Ousen 70 Crispy
    Kanki 62 Crispy
    Rihaku 9 Crispy
    Duke Hyou 86 Crispy
    Gohoumei 42 Crispy
    Fuuki 4 Crispy
    Kaishibou 16 Crispy

    Cyri-0
    Kyou 61 Cyri
    Tou 66 Cyri
    Yotanwa 86 Cyri
    Shin 26 Cyri
    Hakurei 21 Cyri
    Bajio 31 Cyri
    Kaine 9 Cyri

    Gn-0
    Earl Shi 52 gn
    Ouki 100 gn
    Houken 55 gn
    Gaimou 41 gn
    Kyouen 23 gn
    Seikai 15 gn
    SBK 2 Nord (trade)
    Kaioku 8 gn
    Heki 1 gn
    Fast Cavalry 2 points : 2000
    Fire Archers 1 point : 1000
    Chariots 1 point : 100 (?)

    Nord-0
    Gekishin 60 Nord
    Ordo 40 Nord
    Kisui 20 Nord
    Mougou 20 Nord
    Mangoku 20 Nord
    Keisha 35 Nord
    Riboku 75 Nord
    Gakuei 3 Nord
    Ryuutou 1 gn (trade)
    5 points prep days
    10 * 500 # 5000 poison poison dogs
    10 * 500 # 5000 mountain climbers
    10 * 500# 5000 special Zhao Cavalry

    Zentos-0
    Junsou 15 Zentos
    Maron 8 Zentos
    Shoumou 15 Zentos
    Kokuou 17 Zentos
    Ranbihaku 41 Zentos
    Gokei 37 Zentos
    Rinbukun 27 Zentos
    Kousonryuu 19 Zentos
    Mouten 34 Zentos
    Chousou 16 Zentos
    Karin 31 Zentos
    Kanou 5 Zentos
    Choutou 5 Zentos
    Kouyoku 5 Zentos
    Futei 5 Zentos
    Shunmen 5 Zentos
    1000 fire bowmen: 1pt
    400 Wei war chariots: 4pts
    5000 Karin elites: 10pts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
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    Host will pm their strat first to a designated middle man before players pm their strats to the host.
    What?

    How come Ouki doesn't have elites? His soldiers were said to turn into demons when he's at the front.

    Type 1 trying to recruit and getting the L.

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    What?

    How come Ouki doesn't have elites? His soldiers were said to turn into demons when he's at the front.
    people will bitch about a host changing his strat to favor a player more

    Scans? And his elites aren't the best of the best so they won't matter as much. Unless they're Duke/Yotanwa/Karin level in power, I wanna try to trim down the game some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
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    people will bitch about a host changing his strat to favor a player more
    Host will pm their strat first to a designated middle man before players pm their strats to the host.
    The host will pm their strats to a middle man before he himself receives them?

    Scans? And his elites aren't the best of the best so they won't matter as much. Unless they're Duke/Yotanwa/Karin level in power, I wanna try to trim down the game some.
    Why yes, of course.
    Here's the demon gods mention:

    Here's the enraged army led by Rokuomi(not even Ouki) decimating Mangoku's army, which is supposed to be superior to Qin by default:

    Even if their revenge weight was supposed to make up for the zombie power, that'd put them at even grounds. Still, they completely destroyed the opposition.

    Type 1 trying to recruit and getting the L.

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    The host will pm their strats to a middle man before he himself receives them?


    Why yes, of course.
    Here's the demon gods mention:

    Here's the enraged army led by Rokuomi(not even Ouki) decimating Mangoku's army, which is supposed to be superior to Qin by default:

    Even if their revenge weight was supposed to make up for the zombie power, that'd put them at even grounds. Still, they completely destroyed the opposition.
    yes

    >demon gods
    >Taigo unit got punked by Karin's elites

    They're not the best and they most likely won't matter if sent against a Moubu or Kanmei. You'd probably downplay them to hell if they were sent against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
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    yes
    Have you read that twice? The host is supposed to send something before receiving it?
    Have you been hiding a time machine from me?!

    >demon gods
    >Taigo unit got punked by Karin's elites

    They're not the best and they most likely won't matter if sent against a Moubu or Kanmei.
    If you want to look at it like that, no elites matter in front of those 2, Houken, etc.

    I agree with you that things need to be simplified, I'd even go as far as removing all elites, except for maybe those with tangible advantages, like mountain climbing or something. We haven't really felt any impact from elites in the last games.
    You'd probably downplay them to hell if they were sent against you.
    I do not understand what is being said here.

    Type 1 trying to recruit and getting the L.

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    Have you read that twice? The host is supposed to send something before receiving it?
    Have you been hiding a time machine from me?!


    If you want to look at it like that, no elites matter in front of those 2, Houken, etc.

    I agree with you that things need to be simplified, I'd even go as far as removing all elites, except for maybe those with tangible advantages, like mountain climbing or something. We haven't really felt any impact from elites in the last games.

    I do not understand what is being said here.
    yes, the host sends his strat to a middle man and then he receives the two players' strats, what is the confusion?

    I'd be down to remove Duke Hyou and Karin's elites, Yotanwa's can stay since they've got non power value as well

    You'd probably think Kyouen can survive a gangbang of 10k Ouki elites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
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    yes, the host sends his strat to a middle man and then he receives the two players' strats, what is the confusion?

    You'd probably think Kyouen can survive a gangbang of 10k Ouki elites
    Why is the host making a strat? Doesn't he just receive the 2 strats and pits them against each other?

    If Kyouen has his usual setup with Ouhon, Mouten and 30k men, of course he can.

    Type 1 trying to recruit and getting the L.

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    Why is the host making a strat? Doesn't he just receive the 2 strats and pits them against each other?

    If Kyouen has his usual setup with Ouhon, Mouten and 30k men, of course he can.
    so he can compare which one does the best against his, if I didn't do that I might as well designate a judge for each match

    Ouki's busy killing the rest

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    @Zentos;

    Void is trying a new system where instead of 2 people battling each other, 2 player make their strats vs the host strats (individually, each separate encounter). And host choose which one is better between the 2 as the sole judge

    not sure how good it will be, but at the very least it's going to solve stalemate i expect a lot of disagreement for the host's judgement though, since it won't be truly impartial
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    so anyone gonna signup?

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    so anyone gonna signup?
    I'm up for it. Are we gonna try bigger maps?

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    I'm up for it. Are we gonna try bigger maps?
    gonna try out that KP map first but probably not as a whole, it just adds too much of a headache to juggle

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    i am to play but i haven't read the op yet.

    i wonder what kind f sneaky clauses you've come up with this time


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    ok I'm in for this one

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    ok now that i read, i don't understand very well what the host has to do.


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    i'm in until there's some shit storm because of disagreement with the judge/host lol.

    anyway, do we go with 2x minimum bid price for silent bid?

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    ok now that i read, i don't understand very well what the host has to do.
    okay, so I designate you as host and the players are alias/felix. You make a strat for the match and send it to a middleman, like me. After I receive the strat, I tell alias/felix it is time for them to make theirs (they are facing your team but separately). Once all strats are in, you as the host judge which strat did the best against yours. In other words, you are the single voter that decides who wins and loses.

    Note that you as the host aren't making a strat to win against, because the purpose is to test which of the two players made the better strat. That doesn't mean you can mess around though, but you do have more leeway.

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    anyway, do we go with 2x minimum bid price for silent bid?
    refresh me on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
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    okay, so I designate you as host and the players are alias/felix. You make a strat for the match and send it to a middleman, like me. After I receive the strat, I tell alias/felix it is time for them to make theirs (they are facing your team but separately). Once all strats are in, you as the host judge which strat did the best against yours. In other words, you are the single voter that decides who wins and loses.

    Note that you as the host aren't making a strat to win against, because the purpose is to test which of the two players made the better strat. That doesn't mean you can mess around though, but you do have more leeway.

    refresh me on this?
    so that's what the matches have become?

    it's the most unfun thing i've ever heard


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispinianus View Post
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    so that's what the matches have become?

    it's the most unfun thing i've ever heard
    it's because people don't care to read and vote anymore

    if you got an alternative, speak now

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