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    Vista vs Jinbe and Ace


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    Vista wins high diff.
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    The team is probably too much for Vista.
    They really aren't. Vista is minimum Cracker level that G4 couldn't overwhelm by itself. Logically closer to Jack that the entirety of Zou could not overwhelm which included two fighters who are above Jinbe&Ace.

    Jinbe is closer to Pedro and Sicilian than their bosses.

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    Vista extreme-diffs.

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    Vista wins with room to spare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayum View Post
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    They really aren't. Vista is minimum Cracker level that G4 couldn't overwhelm by itself. Logically closer to Jack that the entirety of Zou could not overwhelm which included two fighters who are above Jinbe&Ace.

    Jinbe is closer to Pedro and Sicilian than their bosses.
    You think the difference between the dukes and Ace/Jinbie are that notable? I think both should be able to give one duke a good fight. Vista will probably take the win with high diff since he won't be too overwhelmed looking at it but it won't be a easy fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mom View Post
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    You think the difference between the dukes and Ace/Jinbie are that notable? I think both should be able to give one duke a good fight. Vista will probably take the win with high diff since he won't be too overwhelmed looking at it but it won't be a easy fight.
    A single duke would decisively beat Jinbei and Ace individually, with Ace pushing a single duke to a slighter higher difficulty than Jinbei. I believe they can take out a single duke together though.
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    Well this might be me underrating the dukes but i don't think they should be that different in strength from the M3. Stronger yes, but not by very much. Current Luffy would most likely beat one individually.

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    You're right, except I'd exclude Sanji there. A single duke is around the same level as Luffy and Zoro, which make for an extremely close match. But a single duke can comfortably beat Sanji.
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    Sanji does seem underwhelming compared to Zoro at the moment but i'm pretty confident that will change after this arc and we can consider him to be atleast near equal with Zoro and also be able to give a duke a very good fight. We were talking Jinbie though but i guess you brought Sanji up since the two are usually considered equals.

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    Vista wins. Possibly with high-diff but I doubt it.

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    You think the difference between the dukes and Ace/Jinbie are that notable? I think both should be able to give one duke a good fight. Vista will probably take the win with high diff since he won't be too overwhelmed looking at it but it won't be a easy fight.
    The Dukes are severely underestimated. First they went 12 hours against Jack. They are weaker than Jack but non-G4 Luffy could not go even 1 hour with OG Cracker. Burgess also couldn't go 10 minutes with Mera-Sabo. Going 12 hours with a guy in that range is crazy. It means they should easily be able to fight OG Cracker and only fall to his squad of Clones.

    Then we have two SN praising their strength when both are super injured. One comment could be taken with a grain of salt but the Capone scene just reinforces what we're supposed to think about those two. That should weigh even more now that we're supposed to take Capone seriously too.

    Then of course their subordinates are close to Jinbe's level. Pedro fought a guy with a bounty almost as high as Jinbe's and has a very high one-himself. He's pretty much Jinbe's counterpart in the current group. The Duke should easily be above Doffy in physical ability and Pedro&Sicilian are portrayed as way beneath their boss. Being confirmed Roger pirates helps their portrayal too. They were at least mid-20s back then, more likely 30s so they weren't just tagalongs like Buggy&Shanks but expected to help out fighting.

    Full power Crack> Dukes> Original Cracker> Jinbe/Luffy/Ace.
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    Current Jinbei and Ace. That's like Jenbei and Luffy vs Vista.

    I say Ace's team wins.

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    Vista is overrated here

    Vista ~ current Zoro level
    Ace ~ current Law level

    Zoro >= Jimbe + Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayum View Post
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    The Dukes are severely underestimated. First they went 12 hours against Jack. They are weaker than Jack but non-G4 Luffy could not go even 1 hour with OG Cracker. Burgess also couldn't go 10 minutes with Mera-Sabo. Going 12 hours with a guy in that range is crazy. It means they should easily be able to fight OG Cracker and only fall to his squad of Clones.

    Then we have two SN praising their strength when both are super injured. One comment could be taken with a grain of salt but the Capone scene just reinforces what we're supposed to think about those two. That should weigh even more now that we're supposed to take Capone seriously too.

    Then of course their subordinates are close to Jinbe's level. Pedro fought a guy with a bounty almost as high as Jinbe's and has a very high one-himself. He's pretty much Jinbe's counterpart in the current group. The Duke should easily be above Doffy in physical ability and Pedro&Sicilian are portrayed as way beneath their boss. Being confirmed Roger pirates helps their portrayal too. They were at least mid-20s back then, more likely 30s so they weren't just tagalongs like Buggy&Shanks but expected to help out fighting.

    Full power Crack> Dukes> Original Cracker> Jinbe/Luffy/Ace.
    You make a lot of good points. Waiting too see more of them before i put them at Doffy/Cracker level since that might be overrating them but they do have some strong hype indeed and while they needed to team up in order to give Jack a though fight, it's still very impressive that they could fight him for so long which M3 fighter team ups most likely wouldn't be able to do.

    I do still view Capone as one of the weakest supernovas but it's rather clear now that the supernova are all supposed to be viewed as very strong so Neko scaring Capone like that is still some solid hype for them.

    Also waiting too see more from Pedro before i put him at Jinbie level but he should definitely be atleast seat level with that bounty.
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