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    Zenou vs Generals

    How strong do you think Zenou from Kanki's army is? Have him duel some generals.

    Give separate answers without and with a general's weight.
    Just as an example: Zenou vs Ouki: Mid diff with weight, High diff without weight.

    He's fighting against:
    1: Gaimou
    2: Kanmei
    3: Renpa
    4: Moubu
    5: Ouki
    6: Houken(not a general so he won't have weight. Replace weight with Unshackled Houken)

    Bonus round: vs Shin(assume that Ouki's glaive gives Shin +2 strength).
    Bonus question: How do you think Zenou will die?

    I have a (bad) feeling that he will die a very dumb death; something along the lines of hurr durr you are strong but I is so fast.
    Or a stray arrow or something.
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    zeno is the greatest generals of all time!

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    I don't think he can get them really excited. Moubu Kanmei and Houken would probably low-mid diff, I see Gaimou winning with slightly more difficulty than Tou vs Rinbukun, Ouki and Renpa between these two groups.

    I think Zenou could have edged it out with extreme difficulty against Shin in the battle against Keisha (taking into account only shown feats) but assuming Shin has grown I'd see Shin prevailing now

    I guess he will end up falling prey to an ambush because of Riboku I don't see any of his nor Kisui's vassals taking him out one on one

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    @Dai Don Dedede;

    I was expecting to see some mid or high diff here. Why do you think he'd succumb to them so easily? I don't think we've seen anyone else(except for Rankai) capable of smashing skulls with nothing but a squeeze of his hand. Shouldn't his strength count for a bit more?

    Just look at this

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    That strength is his greatest weakness!:

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    1: Gaimou: high diff loss
    2: Kanmei: low to mid diff loss
    3: Renpa: low high diff loss, weight is a low mid diff
    4: Moubu: more or less same as Kanmei
    5: Ouki: almost same as Renpa
    6: Houken: low diff loss, unshackled stomps


    Bonus round: vs Shin(assume that Ouki's glaive gives Shin +2 strength): zenou pulls out a high diff-ish win if he can kill fast enough
    Bonus question: How do you think Zenou will die? I feel like Kanki will backstab him, like "you have failed me" or some shit
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    He gets crushed by all of them.

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    The fact Kisui survived that blow speaks against Zeno if anything; Kisui wouldn't be in the manga anymore if he tried blocking a hit from Moubu, Kanmei, Ouki, or Houken.

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    1: Gaimou: mid
    2: Kanmei: low (mid-high end)
    3: Renpa: mid (low end)
    4: Moubu: low
    5: Ouki: low (high end)
    6: Houken: low

    He's not cannon fodder but doesn't present a significant threat tbh.

    Tbh his feats are at best on par with a Rinbukun. Remember Rinbukun one shotted an 88 str Ouki sub.

    Zenou failed to one shot Kisui.

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    I could see him fighting on even grounds against Shoumou or Kaishibou maybe.

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    Tbh his feats are at best on par with a Rinbukun. Remember Rinbukun one shotted an 88 str Ouki sub.

    Zenou failed to one shot Kisui.
    I think if Kisui took the time to introduce himself to Zenou and got whacked on the head, he would've died
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    Quote Originally Posted by felixng2015 View Post
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    1: Gaimou: mid
    2: Kanmei: low (mid-high end)
    3: Renpa: mid (low end)
    4: Moubu: low
    5: Ouki: low (high end)
    6: Houken: low

    He's not cannon fodder but doesn't present a significant threat tbh.

    Tbh his feats are at best on par with a Rinbukun. Remember Rinbukun one shotted an 88 str Ouki sub.

    Zenou failed to one shot Kisui.
    Rinbukun is stronger than Zenou.

    He's a Chu non-secondary general, specialized in duels. He's a tier above easily.

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    seems like everyone forgot Kisui caught Zenou off guard while he chasing tranny Keisha and able to recovered quickly and manage to injured Kisui

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    Rinbukun is stronger than Zenou.

    He's a Chu non-secondary general, specialized in duels. He's a tier above easily.
    Zenou is Kanki's monster. The dude is easily above Raido who's a mid-difficulty fight for Rinbukun.




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    with those line up, he'll definitely lose. at most high diff with Gaimou and low-mid diff everyone else.


    we should think about line up like:
    Shoumou
    Rinbukun
    Ranbihaku
    Duke Hyou (without weight)

    I personally think he will be at 94 or 95 at most statwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Potato View Post
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    He gets crushed by all of them.

    The fact Kisui survived that blow speaks against Zeno if anything; Kisui wouldn't be in the manga anymore if he tried blocking a hit from Moubu, Kanmei, Ouki, or Houken.
    Why do you think so? It's been mentioned by others, Kisui took Zenou off guard, and if you look at the earlier panel(still chapter 467), Zenou didn't even take a proper swing, he hit him sideways from a resting position. Even with such a half-assed swing, he broke his glaive and almost killed him. If it were a proper swing, Kisui would, without a doubt, be dead.

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    1: Gaimou: high diff loss
    2: Kanmei: low to mid diff loss
    3: Renpa: low high diff loss, weight is a low mid diff
    4: Moubu: more or less same as Kanmei
    5: Ouki: almost same as Renpa
    6: Houken: low diff loss, unshackled stomps


    Bonus round: vs Shin(assume that Ouki's glaive gives Shin +2 strength): zenou pulls out a high diff-ish win if he can kill fast enough
    Bonus question: How do you think Zenou will die? I feel like Kanki will backstab him, like "you have failed me" or some shit
    Ouki(almost same as Renpa) is low-high to low-mid, but Houken is low to stomp. Why? From the Ouki-Houken duel we've seen that Ouki(who fought for a while) was overpowering Houken(who was fresh). Were it not for the arrow, Houken would be dead. Why do you think that Houken would give Zenou a better fight than Ouki?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zentos View Post
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    Ouki(almost same as Renpa) is low-high to low-mid, but Houken is low to stomp. Why? From the Ouki-Houken duel we've seen that Ouki(who fought for a while) was overpowering Houken(who was fresh). Were it not for the arrow, Houken would be dead. Why do you think that Houken would give Zenou a better fight than Ouki?
    I'm only counting Ouki's general weight, not his revenge or special weight against Houken. Current Houken is stronger than the one that fought Ouki. He also has the superior speed and technique to overwhelm Zenou along with his strength.
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    1: Gaimou: 50/50 extreme diff
    2: Kanmei: very high diff loss
    3: Renpa: 50/50 extreme diff
    4: Moubu: high diff loss
    5: Ouki: very high diff loss
    6: Houken: high diff loss


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    Ouki(almost same as Renpa) is low-high to low-mid, but Houken is low to stomp. Why? From the Ouki-Houken duel we've seen that Ouki(who fought for a while) was overpowering Houken(who was fresh). Were it not for the arrow, Houken would be dead. Why do you think that Houken would give Zenou a better fight than Ouki?
    IMO, Houken is the most agile character in Kingdom top tier's fighter. all while still packing a lot of power in itself. It's not going to end up good for Zenou IMO.

    I agree Houken'll take it easier than Ouki or Renpa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chen Xin View Post
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    Zenou is Kanki's monster. The dude is easily above Raido who's a mid-difficulty fight for Rinbukun.
    he's definitely above raido, who is a nobody.

    Rinbukun would use him as toothpaste.

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    This is hilarious, seeing Crispy wank a baldie over another baldie because he hates the latter baldie even more.
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