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Still, Nami helped so let us just focus on how odd Kong's argument is.
Last edited by Dayum; 02-15-2017 at 11:49 PM.
Impunity. In this context, I take it to mean being able to land an attack on luffy without being at risk of getting hit in return or in danger. It isn't really the most suitable word to use as its meaning doesnt apply here, but whatever. What does that have to do with anything?
Why is it so hard to accept that Zoro's next powerup will be just as big of a boost as G2/G3 Luffy to G4 was?
Zoro > G2/G3 Luffy
G4(whatever its called) Zoro > G4 dressrosa Luffy
Because it will not happen.
Zoro does not have a "mode". He has attacks. You are saying that Zoro will have something more powerful than G4 without the time limit.
G4 is a standout among the supernova that gives Luffy an absurd boost at the price of becoming a target dummy after the time limit is over. There is no way that Oda is writing Zoro in a way that would make it possible for him to achieve that power without huge drawbacks.
When G2/G3 was introduced to defeat Robb, Zoro said anyone else would die vs Robb.
The same applies here. Whatever enemy requires Luffy to pull out G4(at this point in the story) is far too strong for any of the SHs to face, and that will not change until Luffy gains full control over G4(no drawbacks) or he gains something even more powerful than G4.
That is so off the mark and idk how you could be. What I said was very simple. Luffy suffered from PIS just as much as Cracker as there is no valid reason he should not have been able to fly around the Dolls to go for the real Cracker. Yes Cracker would obviously counter with is own attack if Luffy got close. That is common sense. What is not common sense or even remotely feasible is that Cracker counters perfectly every single time Luffy assaults him and does so with perfect reflexes and speed.Impunity. In this context, I take it to mean being able to land an attack on luffy without being at risk of getting hit in return or in danger. It isn't really the most suitable word to use as its meaning doesnt apply here, but whatever. What does that have to do with anything?
Cracker is not Netero. His defense, reflexes, dexterity, and speed cannot possibly be so incredible G4 attacking from multiple angles is rebuked every single time. Oda drew the fight off-panel because this Netero vs. Mereum style scenario would look absolutely ridiculous illustrated in OP. Please don't respond if you're going to miss my point again with some nonsense of how Cracker's defense is good and his dolls make him not like Netero. That would be missing the point so much again it hurts having the thought that that is exactly what you were thinking of responding with until you read these last two lines.
At some point G4 will land something on Cracker when(not if) he got around the the dolls. Zero reason Luffy had to engage the dolls with Organ at all when he could have just flown around. Yes the real Cracker is gong to counter attack and the dolls will help block and assault Luffy, but Luffy will dodge and evade in midair and counter attack himself, followed by another Cracker response. That's called a battle. Very unlikely Luffy falls or is forced to retreat before he lands a single attack. We got the scenario we did not because it was the only logical practical route for Cracker to fall but because Oda had a particular ending in mind/scene he wanted to draw.
Last edited by Dayum; 02-19-2017 at 03:54 PM.
Look at the end of my post.
It will not change until Luffy becomes noticeably stronger. Doesn't matter if it's this arc or the next, until Luffy evolves a step further Zoro can not come close to G4 without drawbacks. As far as I see it, Luffy is only slightly stronger than he was vs Dofla, which is why it does not make sense for Zoro to match G4 just yet. Maybe in Wano, but not yet.
Huh? Who do you think we're talking about? There is no such thing as WCI Zoro as he is not around or even Post-DR/Zou Zoro because he has still yet to be pushed or show his limits. There is only Wano Zoro and Pre-Wano Zoro. We'll sadly never see what Asura pre-Wano could do because Wano Zoro will be a Zoro who trained and probably sparred with Samurai, possibly the Dukes and Law too, for a month or so. That Zoro will be keeping up with people physically more capable than base Doffy(King, Queen, The Shogun, other high ranking Samurai) another perfectly fine. Something Luffy won't do until after WCI.
If Zoro is stronger than G4 it means he is stronger than it at all times.
Wano Zoro can't be stronger than any version of G4, because Wano is next arc and Luffy will not grow to a point where he can beat someone who is G4 strong in his base.
Unless Luffy pulls out another power up or he can maintain G4 for as long as he wants to, Zoro is not yet allowed to be at G4 level.
Which brings us to another issue, and that is stupid power stacking that makes no sense.
Wano Zoro at full power will shit all over DR G4. That is not even a question.
Were confused by the phrase "keeping up"??? Keeping up just means he won't be getting embarrassed in a cqc battle with someone physically superior to Doffy come Wano like Law and Luffy were at DR. That is obvious unless you think Zoro will tag-team with someone else during his Wano battles. Another scenario is that Oda tricks us by having Wano having little to do with Kaidou's direct forces and makes the Shogun and his forces the main threat instead. Meaning Zoro's opponent could just be some high ranked Samurai under the Shogun who is only Doffy or Cracker level at best.
We probably won't see the 9 sword style ever again
Their speed was equal. There were no implications that one was superior than the other in this category, which is why it is completely possible for Cracker to counter every single one of Luffy's attack with both his numbers and speed.
That reasoning is completely baseless and subjective. It was an off-panel fight because it was simply just off-paneled. You don't know what Oda was thinking and neither do any of us. Maybe it was off-paneled because Oda wants to spend time on other fights. Maybe it would take too long to illustrate. Maybe it just wasn't important to him for the story line.
That something that managed to finally make a difference was Luffy's final attack. The response is Cracker counter attacking with his clones. Oda made it completely clear that Cracker is almost dead even with Luffy based on the panels he did draw.
Nobody can care less about what you think a battle should be, but the fact is that from the sequence of events, it's heavily implied that Cracker countered everything and the whole thing was simply a test of endurance. Thing is, we don't even know if he actually countered everything. He could've been fazed/injured several times, such as when Cracker landed a hit on Luffy when he was caught off-guard. Again, nobody gives a shit about your definition of a "true battle."
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