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    Wow some of these pics.

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    As for gaining adherents, Charles suggested, their best bet was to focus on “attracting youth” because “this is the only group that is open to a radically different social philosophy.” He would act on this belief in years to come by funneling millions of dollars into educational indoctrination, with free-market curricula and even video games promoting his ideology pitched to prospects as young as grade school.

    In support of building their own youth movement, another speaker, the libertarian historian Leonard Liggio, cited the success of the Nazi model. In his paper titled “National Socialist Political Strategy: Social Change in a Modern Industrial Society with an Authoritarian Tradition,” Liggio, who was affiliated with the Koch-funded Institute for Humane Studies (IHS) from 1974 until 1998, described the Nazis’ successful creation of a youth movement as key to their capture of the state. Like the Nazis, he suggested, libertarians should organize university students to create group identity. George Pearson, a former member of the John Birch Society in Wichita, who served as Charles Koch’s political lieutenant during these years, expanded on this strategy in his own eye-opening paper. He suggested that libertarians needed to mobilize youthful cadres by influencing academia in new ways. Traditional gifts to universities, he warned, didn’t guarantee enough ideological control. Instead, he advocated funding private institutes within prestigious universities, where influence over hiring decisions and other forms of control could be exerted by donors while hiding the radicalism of their aims. As Coppin summarized Pearson’s arguments, “It would be necessary to use ambiguous and misleading names, obscure the true agenda, and conceal the means of control. This is the method that Charles Koch would soon practice in his charitable giving, and later in his political actions.”
    From a book I'm reading. This specific exerpt is in regards to Charles Kock's attempt to control the political sphere. Thought it was relevant to the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pimp of Pimps View Post
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    From a book I'm reading. This specific exerpt is in regards to Charles Kock's attempt to control the political sphere. Thought it was relevant to the thread.
    The Koch's?

    What book are you reading?



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    The Koch's?

    What book are you reading?
    "Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right"


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    "Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right"
    What's this phenomena have to do with the right?

    I also find that anecdote a little confusing, considering how universities are absolutely dominated by left politics and culture

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    What's this phenomena have to do with the right?

    I also find that anecdote a little confusing, considering how universities are absolutely dominated by left politics and culture
    .I'm around 20% done with the book. The excerpt in question was in regards to the 1970s so I'm sure things are not the same now. The overall point I was making was the tendency for the ultra rich to try and influence society through any method they can and that universities are no exception.

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    .I'm around 20% done with the book. The excerpt in question was in regards to the 1970s so I'm sure things are not the same now. The overall point I was making was the tendency for the ultra rich to try and influence society through any method they can and that universities are no exception.
    70's era college students were still majority left though, shaped by a post Vietnam and civil rights movement.

    I just got done reading the antithesis of what you seem to be reading - Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals. Although Alinsky is not someone I align with politically he breaks grassroot opposition movements down to a science. Hillary Clinton did her thesis on him. Though the elite play a large role in fostering political movements and ideas, it's not the only factor. My city's history with Alinsky and racial riots are proof that ideas even without financial backing can have lasting consequences. I'd say current university culture is an echo of his work's inspiration on college students in the 70's.

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    70's era college students were still majority left though, shaped by a post Vietnam and civil rights movement.

    I just got done reading the antithesis of what you seem to be reading - Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals. Although Alinsky is not someone I align with politically he breaks grassroot opposition movements down to a science. Hillary Clinton did her thesis on him. Though the elite play a large role in fostering political movements and ideas, it's not the only factor. My city's history with Alinsky and racial riots are proof that ideas even without financial backing can have lasting consequences. I'd say current university culture is an echo of his work's inspiration on college students in the 70's.
    Yes, which is precisely why Koch, Scaife and others felt the need to procure influence over universities. Again, I'm making no claim as to how right or left-wing certain institutions as a whole are nor do I say that this is the only factor involved in swaying public opinion. I'm only stating that universities are used by certain groups of wealthy individuals to sway things in their favor and therefore it can be argued that they contribute towards depraving youth. Albeit, probably not in the manner and degree Bold seemed to imply.

    Which should be common knowledge but, based on the responses in this thread, sadly is not.

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    Yes, which is precisely why Koch, Scaife and others felt the need to procure influence over universities. Again, I'm making no claim as to how right or left-wing certain institutions as a whole are nor do I say that this is the only factor involved in swaying public opinion. I'm only stating that universities are used by certain groups of wealthy individuals to sway things in their favor and therefore it can be argued that they contribute towards depraving youth. Albeit, probably not in the manner and degree Bold seemed to imply.

    Which should be common knowledge but, based on the responses in this thread, sadly is not.
    Koch clearly isn't having any luck, though

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    Yes, which is precisely why Koch, Scaife and others felt the need to procure influence over universities. Again, I'm making no claim as to how right or left-wing certain institutions as a whole are nor do I say that this is the only factor involved in swaying public opinion. I'm only stating that universities are used by certain groups of wealthy individuals to sway things in their favor and therefore it can be argued that they contribute towards depraving youth. Albeit, probably not in the manner and degree Bold seemed to imply.

    Which should be common knowledge but, based on the responses in this thread, sadly is not.
    Nah, I believe they deprave youths ideologically for the most part. I just wanted to drop those pictures on here.

    It seems to me moves are being made to erase the middle class and I'd say universities are being used as a part of that.

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    Koch clearly isn't having any luck, though

    Nah.

    Though I think the angle of the book is how people like the Kochs inadvertently gave rise to what we have now.

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    ​So I'm still reading the book and one of the universities that Charles Koch heavily invested in is George Mason University, where my sister goes. LLAB

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