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  1. #41
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    I know Keisha is impatient, but the thing is how did Kanki?

    Kanki interrogated Kisuis soldiers to learn about Kisuis weakness, Kisuis soldiers would know barely anymore than Kanki about Keisha. There is no evidence that Keisha is impatient from when he took charge of Kisuis troops or when he met Kanki that the troops could use to tell Kanki about. On the contrary he looked extremely patient and willing to wait for Kanki to make his move

    I was referring to Kanki withdrawing his troops from the hill there
    Honestly the Keisha impatient character flaw was very iffy. It appeared out of nowhere and made him look really inept and incompetent and by extension made Zhao look pathetic since this was their 2nd best guy since he was the closest to GH level (not counting Houken here). Keisha had a pathetic showing.

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    I know Keisha is impatient, but the thing is how did Kanki?
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    Honestly the Keisha impatient character flaw was very iffy. It appeared out of nowhere and made him look really inept and incompetent and by extension made Zhao look pathetic since this was their 2nd best guy since he was the closest to GH level (not counting Houken here). Keisha had a pathetic showing.
    He had predicted based on the information given. What Keisha did wasn't abnormal. It was a perfectly acceptable tactic - as Kisui himself said. Not only that, but this in Kanki's mind was far from an 'all or nothing' gamble. Remember at this point Kanki had no proper knowledge on how powerful Kisui was, so even if the HSU were defeated, Kanki was likely still confident he could have taken Keisha out. That we know Kanki probably wouldn't have defeated both Kisui and Keisha is irrelevant because we're talking about the plan Kanki created when he thought it was just him and Keisha in the game.

    Kanki's strategy vs Kisui was far more of a serious gamble - perhaps one that was more likely to succeed, but the consequences of it failing were far more severe.


    Keisha plan: A bit of a risk, he knew the HSU might be killed but Kanki didn't think he needed them to defeat an army with only Keisha as his rival (that he knew of) anyway, and he knew there was a good chance Keisha would take the bait anyway. In Kanki's mind, he probably felt like he could just come up with a different tactic later on.

    Kisui plan: A huge risk that was likely going to decide the entire war. Do or die (well, fail).


    Kanki interrogated Kisuis soldiers to learn about Kisuis weakness, Kisuis soldiers would know barely anymore than Kanki about Keisha. There is no evidence that Keisha is impatient from when he took charge of Kisuis troops or when he met Kanki that the troops could use to tell Kanki about. On the contrary he looked extremely patient and willing to wait for Kanki to make his move

    I was referring to Kanki withdrawing his troops from the hill there
    Nope - Kanki interrogated twice (that we know of). First of all his lieutenant (w/e his name is) mentioned that the soldiers they had interrogated had said given a fairly detailed description of Keisha and Kanki reacted on that information. This was before Kanki's plan to do 'nothing', yet even after Keisha had been killed Kanki still had no knowledge on Kisui. It was after this sequence of events that he said "bring me the saki clan" and it was only then he found out about Kisui. Had the original sources of information been Kisui soldiers then Kanki would have had prior knowledge on who Kisui was. He didn't and so they weren't. They must have been Keisha's soldiers.
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  3. #43
    It's important to remember that Keisha isn't a strategic general, he's an instinct type. Strategic generals analyze and calculate while instinctual generals are reactionary and read the flow of the battle.

    What Kanki did to Keisha is basically what Keisha did to Duke Hyou. Kanki refused to give him anything for his instincts to pick up on, and when an instinct type is denied the opportunity to get a read on their opponent then they're more likely to make brash or reckless decisions, as we see when Duke Hyou ended up getting caught in Keisha's web despite being famed for his ability to sense traps.

    If the general on the hill was a pure strategist like Gohoumei or Riboku then Kanki would have thought of a different plan.

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    And how do you think would go exactly? There is an 80,000 man margin of difference between the two, I dont care how tough Moubos troops are Keisha wont be no slouches either and they would become physically exhausted long before they reached their HQ if Moubo tried to defeat an army of 120,000 in a single day of battle. Keisha would easily see what Moubo was trying to do as well, and could lay traps to ensnare him just like he ensnared Duke. Moubo isnt invincible, I know a lot of people like to think he is but he isnt.
    It will be like how Shin kill Fuuki in Banyou. or how Duke Hyou managed to reach Gokei in Dakan Plains with only a few thousand cavalry. The 120.000 man won't all be there in a simple charge battle. Not even half of them will be in Moubu's path.
    Moubu clearly has stronger charge and destructive power than Duke and Shin in both scenario and chewing all of those men will be very easy for him. Keisha won't be able to relocate his HQ fast enough before Moubu reach him since he chew Kanmei's giant cavalry (which is his elite) very fast without any noticable casualties or drop in strength.
    Even if Keisha want to retreat, it will actually be hard with a lot of soldiers standing and blocking his own retreat path.

    The point in strategy vs Kanmei is simply to preserve his strength as much as possible because both of them is "strongest man in china".

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    The point is there no strategy Kanki could use defeat to Keisha, his entire plan was hinged on whether or not that general would chase after him. Kanki would have lost that war of he never, it was much as down to luck as it was down to strategy
    it didn't. If Keisha is alive and he forced Kisui to stay, then Kanki will attack Rigan like his threat.

    At that point, Kanki can make a new artwork and half of Zhao forces (Rigan's soldiers) morale will drop to the bottom. or make a new threat and Kisui might revolt. it's effectively destroy at least half the enemy soldier in both scenario.

    There will be an increase of casualties and it won't be a clean win like now, but it will still definitely be Kanki's win at that point

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