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    that's because you guys have been using them all wrong
    well.. seeing Felix with Riboku vs Nord, people don't think Riboku will be able to manuver greatly with such loose commands.

    and seeing other fights, people don't think the strategist dudes can manuver greatly if given detailed command either.

    at most they'll just be used too carry the brute forces in their game

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    well.. seeing Felix with Riboku vs Nord, people don't think Riboku will be able to manuver greatly with such loose commands.

    and seeing other fights, people don't think the strategist dudes can manuver greatly if given detailed command either.

    at most they'll just be used too carry the brute forces in their game
    felix was lazy and depended too much on in character actions tbh, it's flexible/convenient but also vague and could backfire badly. Also, the battle was way too open ended for us to gauge how Riboku would react.

    You give Riboku 100k and Moubu 100k and 8 times out of 10, people would say Riboku wins because hurr durr, muh top strategist BUT give Moubu specific commands and that overrides anything stupid he may or may not do in character so that tips the scales imo. If I'm coming at you with a Moubu charge of 100k against your 100k Karin or Riboku, there's really nothing you can do in that isolated situation to win as 1) Riboku or Karin have never faced a situation like this in the manga 2) they don't have the personal muscle to stop it 3) their styles cannot stop it (Riboku's Ryuudou counts on outnumbering the opponent initially to further shred their forces and Karin relies on numbers as well with flashy moves to control the tempo/distract her opponents, none of this is going to work when you've got a mad bull of equal numbers heading your way)

    for the top strategists (who aren't usually frontline warriors), I'll list their strengths in my eyes:

    Riboku (Ryuudou, arguably the best game manager (and prep guy) BUT you have to have the pieces necessary for him to be at his best, buyable fast cavalry)
    GHM (Ryuudou, siege specialist, defensive guy, can burn)
    Ousen (best defense guy, especially terrain based, strategic retreat -> ambush style)
    Gokei (master of formations)
    Karin (flashy moves -> deception to control the tempo)
    Reiou (pincer specialist with a brute)
    Genbou (anti cavalry trapper)

    Also wanna throw in Kanki (guerilla warfare expert, unorthdox, can burn, but likes to takes his time) who's arguably one of the hardest characters to use because he likes to piss/scare people off but that's extremely hard to do in this game. People also like to use him in earnest, which is totally not his style.

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    for the top strategists (who aren't usually frontline warriors), I'll list their strengths in my eyes:

    Riboku (Ryuudou, arguably the best game manager (and prep guy) BUT you have to have the pieces necessary for him to be at his best, buyable fast cavalry)
    GHM (Ryuudou, siege specialist, defensive guy, can burn)
    Ousen (best defense guy, especially terrain based, strategic retreat -> ambush style)
    Gokei (master of formations)
    Karin (flashy moves -> deception to control the tempo)
    Reiou (pincer specialist with a brute)
    Genbou (anti cavalry trapper)
    tbh i'm not even sure what pincer specialist and anti cavalry trapper means lol.. what they did is only basic strategy
    but yeah, most of them fits what they have..

    except Riboku maybe, since prep and manager isn't exactly useful here
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    Quote Originally Posted by gn_x00 View Post
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    tbh i'm not even sure what pincer specialist and anti cavalry trapper means lol.. what they did is only basic strategy
    Ranbihaku combo and dust bell trap with arrows and picket fence

    true, but people tend to read your strat based on preexisting feats, you could have someone else do what Genbou did or what Reiou did but would it fit their style? To what level of competence would they execute it compared to people who have already demonstrated that feat? Duno about you, but people would rather have their Houken protect their Riboku and it'd be more effective in case of a Ryuudou than Riboku and Houken pincering an enemy force.

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    Ranbihaku combo and dust bell trap with arrows and picket fence

    true, but people tend to read your strat based on preexisting feats, you could have someone else do what Genbou did or what Reiou did but would it fit their style? To what level of competence would they execute it compared to people who have already demonstrated that feat? Duno about you, but people would rather have their Houken protect their Riboku and it'd be more effective in case of a Ryuudou than Riboku and Houken pincering an enemy force.
    well... the reason for that specific case is that Houken can't lead a charge... so yeah. it won't fit at all

    now if we have someone like Batei or Rinko, then it's not a problem lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn_x00 View Post
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    well... the reason for that specific case is that Houken can't lead a charge... so yeah. it won't fit at all

    now if we have someone like Batei or Rinko, then it's not a problem lol
    point still stands even if you have a Moubu or Ouki on the other side. Unless your strategist is a SHK warrior type, people will think you'll get murdered. Dunno how that would allow Reiou to do it but

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    point still stands even if you have a Moubu or Ouki on the other side. Unless your strategist is a SHK warrior type, people will think you'll get murdered. Dunno how that would allow Reiou to do it but
    strange... i was always under impression that it's not Reiou himself that pincers, but Ranbihaku and/or only soldiers. There's just no way someone who's even weaker than Ryofui can lead a pincer attack himself lol

    If it's only Ranbihaku and/or only soldiers (with generic commander), then i fail to see why it's impossible to replicate such a basic strategy with other generals

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn_x00 View Post
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    strange... i was always under impression that it's not Reiou himself that pincers, but Ranbihaku and/or only soldiers. There's just no way someone who's even weaker than Ryofui can lead a pincer attack himself lol

    If it's only Ranbihaku and/or only soldiers (with generic commander), then i fail to see why it's impossible to replicate such a basic strategy with other generals
    I always thought it was Reiou himself that did it

    well, it's not impossible to do it with other characters but we're talking about using the strategist to their strength here, he might has well be dead weight if you're just gonna replace him with Rinko or what not, since we don't really know what else he's good at and giving the benefit or the doubt could be dangerous here.

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