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    @Great Potato; trust me I get you, but at this point, unless Chopper does have some super secret ace up his sleeve, then Monster Point is all he is capable of doing since that is his best.


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    I think there's a serious cognitive dissonance here between how we want to see One Piece being drawn out and how Oda writes his manga.

    See; those fights are supermemorable for us cause our lovable main characters went all out and the hype and delivery was real. It was very emotional.

    Now 2 years later it's all the same shit. But we forget that Oda is juggling a gazillion characters. This isn't Hunter X Hunter, where you have a base core of a few people that get action all the time.

    THis is Oda that wants to draw 100.000 different characters. And in the end none of them will make any emotional impact cause none of them are written in such a way that is emotionally satisfying AT ALL.

    I'm sorry to say guys, but I think the more we want the old One Piece back, the less we will receive.

    SOmetimes I think Oda is deliberately not giving us cool stuff.

    For example, he highlighted the speed of Carrot by NOT showing us her jumping at an insane speed to catch up?

    I think Oda is making it easy for himself by just showing a lot of those close up inzoom shots at strange angles and lots of different characters in choreographed settings.

    I don't feel like this manga has any fluidity anymore, it just feels like a lot of stillshots inbetween, and it feels like because Oda needs to weave all these different storylinese of different characters together so characters don't become obsolete.

    Lots of hyping up, lots of showing off of cool intro, but many of these characters can't have a true battle climax due to the insane amounts of characters.

    It's like you're constantly being teased by something cool, but in the end you're let down every single time.

    THis is in stark contrast with pre-timeskip where ALL the fighters got a good showing.

    I guess we just have to accept that Oda will only save those emotionally satisfying fights once or twice in a whole arc, and even then it seems lackluster.

    I can't get over it tbh. One Piece doesn't satisfy my needs anymore. lOL

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    @Great Potato; trust me I get you, but at this point, unless Chopper does have some super secret ace up his sleeve, then Monster Point is all he is capable of doing since that is his best.
    It's not all he's capable of doing, he has several other forms to get the job done with and there were occasions where it made a lot more sense to not use Monster Point. He could have taken Dosun without it which would have been much safer since he wouldn't have then been incapacitated in the middle of a War Zone, he used it twice to stall even though he has a form called guard point that doesn't run on a time-limit.

    Look at Zoro with Asura, it's his strongest form but he hasn't even busted it out post-timeskip, and Luffy wouldn't end up using Gear 4th until late into the fight with Doflamingo on Dressrosa. That's how Monster Point should be treated, it should be held off until the big guns where he's really forced into using it, not used to deal with every nobody he comes across.

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    I wish Chopper woul've learned Rokushiki during the timeskip instead of just spamming monster point. Rokushiki was supposed to work very well for Zoan df user.
    I miss the old chopper that would struggle and try to dodge situations, now it's juste monster point and smash.

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    Holy shit loved this chapter

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    Not a great chapter. What's the point of the new characters? However, I can't wait to see what happens next!!!!!!!! *^* Will Brook become part of Big Mom's collection? And wtf happened to Sanji's sister? *excited*


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    I'm just glad that monster point was a little bit monsterlike again this chapter, not that oh i learned how to control my monster point, so I look more like a big friendly bear rather than a savage monstergod incarnation of a deer.

    Also to whoever said that Carrot had an AoE attack I didn't see one, aside from her knocking this hot soup thingy over the enemies and then using that soup as a conducting thingy by using her electric ability.

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    They're racing against time GP. Why would Chopper think about taking out the enemy while looking cool? MP was done because it was the most efficient. Carrot paralyzes the enemies and Chopper takes them out by suplexing the Croc in MP.

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    I loved this chap. The only irritating thing is smoothie not doing anything.

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    They're racing against time GP. Why would Chopper think about taking out the enemy while looking cool? MP was done because it was the most efficient. Carrot paralyzes the enemies and Chopper takes them out by suplexing the Croc in MP.
    If Monster Point makes all of his other forms obsolete then it ruins what made Chopper interesting in the first place, if the form is his ultimate trump card then he shouldn't have Chopper keep busting it out in situations that don't call for it, he doesn't do that with the other Strawhats. He didn't have Luffy whip out Gear 4th to clobber Hodi, Caesar, and Chinjao into paste. He didn't have Zoro whip out Asura to end Hyouzou, Monet, and Pica instantly. For a form to be special and resonate with the readers it has to be treated like such, he used to understand that for Chopper, but now he just hulks out whenever there's danger. He uses Monster Point even when its not the most efficient thing to use.

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    If Monster Point makes all of his other forms obsolete then it ruins what made Chopper interesting in the first place, if the form is his ultimate trump card then he shouldn't have Chopper keep busting it out in situations that don't call for it, he doesn't do that with the other Strawhats. He didn't have Luffy whip out Gear 4th to clobber Hodi, Caesar, and Chinjao into paste. He didn't have Zoro whip out Asura to end Hyouzou, Monet, and Pica instantly. For a form to be special and resonate with the readers it has to be treated like such, he used to understand that for Chopper, but now he just hulks out whenever there's danger. He uses Monster Point even when its not the most efficient thing to use.
    I agree with you GP. The impact of monster point has been wearing off. Also, I want to see him use arm point and jumping point more.


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    I agree with you GP. The impact of monster point has been wearing off. Also, I want to see him use arm point and jumping point more.
    Arm and jumping point don't exist anymore, he combined them into Kung Fu point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Potato View Post
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    Arm and jumping point don't exist anymore, he combined them into Kung Fu point.

    Well I completely forgot that XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. <.< I want them back! Arm point and jumping point were super cool. Kung Fu Point does not have the same visual impact.


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    It's lame and he doesn't even save it for the powerful foes, it would be like if Luffy started every fight by going Gear 4th even if he was facing someone he could handle in Gear 2nd.

    -He used Monster Point on Dosun, one of Hodi's garbage fishman that he could already match in just Heavy Point alone.
    -He used Monster Point on drugged out kids to prevent them from going through a door, when he has the much more logical Guard Point that isn't stuck on a time limit.
    -He used Monster Point on Brulee and got captured off-panel.
    -He used Monster Point on the Crocodile when it was clear overkill.
    -Franky whips out Monster Point the second he was in Chopper's body.

    Oda has removed everything that once made Chopper interesting, taking away his unique fighting style is just the final nail in the coffin. No longer are we seeing tactical uses of Chopper's various and creative forms and the great fight choreography that could be done blending them all together into one varied package, instead all we see is him popping a rumble ball and hulking out.

    Not only has it essentially made all of his other forms redundant, but its taken all of the impact out of the Monster Point itself. It used to be the form he would be forced into as a last resort when shit got real, it was a form that left a strong impression, now its his first move to pull out in battle and none of it resonates with the readers who have been watching him bust this out every time he's in combat.
    I empathise with you fully

    Same thing is happening with Luffy's G2/G3/G4 and will likely get worse

  15. #35
    Smoothie desk level confirmed, bitch couldn't even break down a wall

    The pedro vs tamago moment was incredible, surprised people aren't mentioning it.


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    Yeah, Pedro joining seems pretty unlikely unless he gets those 50 years back somehow.

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    If Monster Point makes all of his other forms obsolete then it ruins what made Chopper interesting in the first place, if the form is his ultimate trump card then he shouldn't have Chopper keep busting it out in situations that don't call for it, he doesn't do that with the other Strawhats. He didn't have Luffy whip out Gear 4th to clobber Hodi, Caesar, and Chinjao into paste. He didn't have Zoro whip out Asura to end Hyouzou, Monet, and Pica instantly. For a form to be special and resonate with the readers it has to be treated like such, he used to understand that for Chopper, but now he just hulks out whenever there's danger. He uses Monster Point even when its not the most efficient thing to use.
    For all the other forms, there's a time and place for everything. Chopper used the correct form for taking out 3 mid boss characters in a tight space. It was the most efficient thing to use so they wouldn't waste more energy being outnumbered. It was an all-or-nothing situation. You've seen Chopper use it once Pre TS and it was just to show off. Right now was the right time. You don't use Kung Fu or Walk to decide a situation like this.

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    You depend on ingenuity if you had time. They didn't have the luxury of waiting. Chopper's trump card is MP. They had to take them out before they could react fast enough.

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    I think Chopper only went for MP here is because Oda just liked the visual of Monster Chopper slamming a giant crocodile on the ground. But to echo the complaints about Chopper overusing MP, I have to agree. Hopefully he gets a full fight using his other points later in this arc, though considering Oda's track record with this kind of stuff post-skip, I wouldn't hold my breath for one.

    Anyway, I'd say that this chapter was a bit weaker than the past few, but still enjoyable none the less. I hope we get a good fight between Pedro and Tamago, as I'm liking them both more and more.

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    Yeah, this chapter kind of kills the theory that Pedro is spy of Kaidou, but we will see.

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    Jack > Smoothie confirmed again?

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    Also, was Oda hinting Eggplant Df?

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