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    Zoro cleaves him with Lion Song.

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    Lions song wont do shit lol


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    Lion Song only works if Cracker open his defenses lmao... Even Kaku was able to stop that attack.

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    anyone who thinks he would be easily beaten by a bunch of faggy marines is severely autistic .

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    @Coruscation

    Geez, where do I start.

    I thought id addressed that in my first post - luffy had no way of escaping and could have easily been killed then and there. The argument that luffy had stronger g2 and g3 attacks in store in than the ones he used against cracker doesn't really hold any weight because he was defeated before getting the opportunity to use them. If luffy had been able to continue fighting in g2/3, how was cracker able to lean over and place his shield against him without facing any resistance or attempts or flee . Clearly (to me), he was too fatigued to do so
    Dude. He was held under a bloody shield. This is like the least threatening predicament any major enemy has ever had Luffy in. This is not a defeat. Enel had Luffy pinned against a wall at one point, big fucking deal. Too fatigued? WHAT? He had barely gotten started. He'd used a small handful of attacks and taken a few hits that didn't do a whole lot. G4 doesn't give him new energy from nowhere. If he was too fatigued to fight he couldn't have used it anymore than he could've fought in G2 and G3.

    I have nothing more to say, this is just bizarre. This is what defeat looks like:

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    Agreeing with Corus here. Being pinned under a shield isn't that threatening and nor does it signify defeat for someone like Luffy, he has escaped far worse predicaments, a simple bone balloon would've helped him escape from underneath the shield.

    If Luffy was too fatigued to fight then how did he use Gear 4th and last 11 hours afterwards?

    some people and there fan fictions smh.


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    @Coruscation

    Okay, so how do you see luffy getting out of crackers clutches in that situation? Its not as though he had any real room to move to be able to try and fend him off, g4 gave him the power and space he needed to free himself

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    @ReXDrake;

    Luffy can inflate himself, into a balloon and scoop himself out of it.
    Knowing Luffy, he'd probably take a bite out of Cracker's shield as it a biscuit.

    There's so many ways how Luffy could've gotten out.

    Luffy just went G4 because Cracker involved a nakama and that pissed Luffy off and get straight to business with G4.

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    Lol, he wouldn't have even been able to take a proper gulp of air to inflate himself as there was simply no space to do so, not that I think rubber balloon would have the strength to push cracker away even if he could

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    So how did he manage to turn into G4?

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    he isn't required to bite down on his fingers to enter g4, he can do it at any time no matter the circumstances. Heck, he was even able to while completely immobilized by parasite, and upon activating it, he gains a shit ton of power and strength, certainly enough to push cracker away

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    He is required or else where does the air come from?

    Don't let Oda waving his own rules distort your view on how G4 works. So G4 is literally just a Super Saiyan form now?

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    More like Kaioken. Super Saiyan has no side-effects.

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    anyone who thinks he would be easily beaten by a bunch of faggy marines is severely autistic .

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    he didn't against parasite and he didn't when activating tankman. Why does he need air, activating g4 inflates his body and muscles doesn't it?

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    Yes by him blowing air into them that's what was intially shown no reason to think it suddenly works differently.

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    read the above post. He didn't on at least 2 of 4 instances

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    I think he did blow air in his muscle like he did the first time around in all those instances, Oda just does not chose to show it because it will be too bothersome to draw all the time.

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    Dude. He was held under a bloody shield. This is like the least threatening predicament any major enemy has ever had Luffy in. This is not a defeat. Enel had Luffy pinned against a wall at one point, big fucking deal. Too fatigued? WHAT? He had barely gotten started. He'd used a small handful of attacks and taken a few hits that didn't do a whole lot. G4 doesn't give him new energy from nowhere. If he was too fatigued to fight he couldn't have used it anymore than he could've fought in G2 and G3.

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    Dude. He was held under a bloody shield. This is like the least threatening predicament any major enemy has ever had Luffy in. This is not a defeat. Enel had Luffy pinned against a wall at one point, big fucking deal. Too fatigued? WHAT? He had barely gotten started. He'd used a small handful of attacks and taken a few hits that didn't do a whole lot. G4 doesn't give him new energy from nowhere. If he was too fatigued to fight he couldn't have used it anymore than he could've fought in G2 and G3.

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    Zoro low diff. Cracker has no feats outside of his clones.

    Btw, didn't Oda state that Zoro specializes in CoA, Luffy in CoC and Sanji in CoO? Law needed a chapter of flashback to 1 hit full haki body Vergo, Zoro did the same thing to Pica in one panel. Cracker could not even pierce Luffy
    What the hell are you talking about. Cracker almost cut Luffy's arm off while he was in gear fourth without even using armament hardening.

    Edit- oops, he did use hardening. Point still stands otherwise, and while he wasn't turning Luffy into a shish kabob, he did pierce him quite a few times.
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    Zoro is already Vista-leveled

    He will high diff Cracker, and there is nothing the biscuit man can do except delay his doom with his cookies

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    Vista isn't better than Cracker. Cracker is on par with G4 Luffy, even with Nami's rain. He simply mid-diffs Zoro.

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