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  1. #21
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    @say-and-sing; The only time I've seen him mentioned is against the last Qin campaign before Zhao falls

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    so who has the best record and achievement in actual unification history for Qin?

    Top 3
    1. Ousen = Conquered Yan,Zhao and Chu .
    2. Ouhon = Conquered Wei and Qi(minimal resistance) + captured 4 kings
    3. Tou = Conquered Han and assigned to govern one region in chu for Ousen to begin conquest there.

    Top 3 loser
    1. Shin = Arrogant general got ass kicked by Great General Kouen and losing 7 trusted lieutenants
    2. Kanki = Another arrogant general who had been humiliated by Rbk in Zhao invasion and running away from qin service
    3. Shk = Emo strategist who decided to die as Chu king and not for Qin glories

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    Ousen had to pay off officials to remove riboku

    Shin actually played a good part in helping to conquer yan.

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    well that's the psychological prowess difference between Ousen and Rbk
    one seeing the war to reduce casualty and the other one seeing beyond the battlefield which involves a lot of politics

    yeah Shin no that bad but got ass kicked by Kouen really the most highlighted moment of his career

  5. #25
    Riboku had a pretty big disadvantage due to having a shit for brains king. Same for Renpa.

  6. #26
    Zhao king might be retarded but Rbk far too soft to make his move to overthrow king from the throne

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    Not really, he was just more pragmatic than the others

    Shin's failure was highlighted and flanderized because of anti qin and pro ousen historians

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    iirc shin's failure is because of shk's betrayal?

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    Nope Shin failure mostly because he was lured deep into chu territory by GG Kouen . Kouen fooled Shin by letting him win on a few skirmish before laying waste to 2 biggest qin camp in and it was highlighted to be the most embarrassing defeat in history of Qin invasion. We can blame both Shin and Mouten here.
    Sei then dispatched Ousen and Moubu to chu, after that event Shk has been appointed by Kouen and chu's armies to be the king because they greatly overpowered by Ousen and Moubu forces they need someone to bolstered their morale , Shk died at Shouchun and Kouen committed suicide after that.

    SHK not really contributed much but Hara can twist it later to make Shin looks better than humiliating defeats he got in actual history.

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    oh.. sounds like i'm a bit wrong on that lol

    somehow i can totally picture an overconfident shin doing that lol

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    So Ousen will basically shit on all GGs.Can't wait to see Kouen putting Shin in his place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
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    Shin's failure was highlighted and flanderized because of anti qin and pro ousen historians
    Where did you get this from?

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    @Myst; https://magaxking.wordpress.com/2015...ri-shinli-xin/



    woikurus can't wait for that Ousen/Moubu campaign, he be jizzing all over the place

  14. #34
    I hope Hara stay true to his word if not crispy will be the one to laugh at the end .

    Downfall of this characters gonna be awesome to read

    RBK got ass kicked by Ousen using spies
    Futei and Kaine probably survive and helping Zhao prince to create new state Dai and got ass kicked by Ouhon
    GHM and Wei king outsmart by Ouhon
    Shin and Karyoten incompetence lead to Ousen awesomeness
    Moubu killing SHK .

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    I dunno how I feel about dumb and dumber surviving the fall of Zhao but Ouhon flooding the Wei capital will be glorious

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    I'd be pretty pissed off if Hara deviated from history just to have Ouhon or Shin try to mano a mano GHM/Gaimou on the battlefield.

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    Yeah flooding Wei capital will be glorious presented by Hara art . I don't know Hara method or style when he portraying Ouhon but giving him the best overall stats among new gen commanders clearly foreshadowing his upcoming accomplishments.

  17. #37
    at the very least we can be sure that his failure will be there. no matter how hara twist Shin's failure, i doubt he'll remove it/blame it completely to other reason 100%. It's one of the best place for development and for Shin to grows from the current instinct/idiot guy to a real great general

    for Ouhon, I think Hara already design it since long ago. In the last FD arc, Ouhon is portrayed to be way above Shin (while Mouten has been off radar for a while). and even though he's not even a general yet, his int is arguably general level.

    of course Shin is the main character after all... so I doubt he'll be left behind as a loser. in a way, taking a not famous figure is actually advantageous for people like Hara who loves to twist things as he liked.

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    Ouhon is already above general level, his stats are overall better than the GGs Mougou and Choutou. His fighting ability rivals that of combat specialists such as Shoumou and Rinbunkun despite being a well-rounded general.

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    Top 3 loser
    1. Shin = Arrogant general got ass kicked by Great General Kouen and losing 7 trusted lieutenants
    2. Kanki = Another arrogant general who had been humiliated by Rbk in Zhao invasion and running away from qin service
    3. Shk = Emo strategist who decided to die as Chu king and not for Qin glories
    1) Though wasnt Mou Ten involved in that too or was it mainly Shin faults? Though please not too many spoilers regarding the war scenario, although i know about the tradegy and the first conquest failed due Shin arrogance haha


    2) Though if we consider the real life facts, the chances were high that he would/could be executed because the king was mad compared to our shiny Ei Sei, and i thought Riboku never lost a single battle or did he?

    3) Well, youre right haha

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    1) Though wasnt Mou Ten involved in that too or was it mainly Shin faults? Though please not too many spoilers regarding the war scenario, although i know about the tradegy and the first conquest failed due Shin arrogance haha

    2) Though if we consider the real life facts, the chances were high that he would/could be executed because the king was mad compared to our shiny Ei Sei, and i thought Riboku never lost a single battle or did he?

    3) Well, youre right haha
    2. this should be a spoiler thread but...

    iirc yes, he didn't lose a single battle even when he's up against multiple Qin's general. while not 100% the same, it's pretty similar with what Riboku said in some chapters ago

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