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    @Bold;

    All candidates claim they will "negotiate" with rougher countries. In American politics, we enjoy the idea we would consider trying not to bash another country or threaten it or just outright work against them. Few presidents have ever really kept that up since it requires the other country to work with us, and generally bad relations aren't smoothed over quickly via new presidency.

    Though, to be fair, American perception increased among foreign leadership when Obama was elected because of the disastrous relationship Bush had with the world.

    Honestly, Russia will always be alienated by us so long as Putin is in charge and setting policy the way he is (weird as I just said leadership doesn't change relations too much, but Russia is very different). Trump will defer to his advisory committee, who will advise him to basically stay the course with Russia who is harassing our naval fleet routinely and aggressive on borders which in turns ruffles the feathers of our vital allies in the region. So either Trump relents and lets Russia does as it wants and alienates a lot of our European allies (and definitely Japan), which would in turn would also require him to be passive of China, which will again piss off our allies in Japan and Europe. Or... Trump continues to stand strong against Russia both economically and military wise in solidarity with our vital allies, which is what causes Russia to be against us in the first place, and worsens relations with them. The difference being we STILL have strained alliances in Europe for a continent that doesn't really care for Trump or his condescension. If there's one thing we know about European leaders and support? We know they're not huge fans of bombastic American leaders telling them what to do like they're dumber countries and then said leader getting mad at them when the countries don't do what were told.

    The biggest difference there is: Clinton already has strong diplomatic ties with many European and Asian countries of whom she made record breaking visits in during her tenure as Secretary of State, cementing the idea that even if she's not exactly personable, she is knowledgeable in international relations on a political and militaristic level. Something Trump has yet to do as even his campaign has other countries groaning at all.

    We can be friendly with Russia and China all we want, but we won't get much from them other than maybe relaxed tensions (which definitely won't happen at their expense). What we lose is a lot of support and good will with other countries, and their cooperation is vital for us when it comes to global economic and political communication.





    Think of it like this. Let's assume people don't really trust PoPs to run TMF. PoPs and Rax don't get along and PoPs is running for election of Grand Master of TMF. Rax is a fictional secondary forum I guess. PoPs is friendly with the rest of the staff, but the forum on a whole doesn't trust he will make the best leader. Our other option is to put Jowy in charge of the forum because we believe he can get along with Rax because he says he can. Rax likes it because Rax doesn't like PoPs at all, and so he's chummy with Jowy. While it might work some with Rax in the long run (reduced effectiveness because we know Rax will never NOT be Rax), we can safely assume he bombs any cooperation with the rest of the staff or the forum as a whole.

    We can even say a PoPs vs Jowy would have a similar effect on the greater part of TMF's functionality as a whole. We rely on PoPs to effectively maintain and coordinate with the Staff to keep the forum humming along (and we've seen what happens when he's not present to give the quick orders), where we know Jowy doesn't possess the same skill nor does he possess the same effectiveness in levying the staff to make things work. Where PoPs would engage with the staff, make suggestions, and pull in recommendations? Jowy would just straight tell the super mods and mods to fix their own problems, fail to organize them, alienate the ones who are capable of fixing things (Goodbye to Y and his ability to fix the forum), and in general not worry too much about how the forum is run so long as it's limping along. Unlike a country, TMF would collapse since there's very few layers between PoPs and a desolate forum, requiring him to keep engaged. Trump offers a very similar idea. A likeable funny figurehead is great, but it's not enough.
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    @11;

    Yeah, there's a lot of that. I expect voter apathy to be huge.

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    @11;

    Yeah, there's a lot of that. I expect voter apathy to be huge.

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    Well if they wanted to suppress voters they found a way, thats for damn sure

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    I'd want trump to be there.

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    I dislike Trump less, but clinton is closer to my political/social preferences.

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    I dislike Trump less, but clinton is closer to my political/social preferences.

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    Trump is pretty stupid and lacks the necessary understanding of politics.

    Hilary is a disgusting, manipulative corporate dog.

    Pick your poison Murica. You're fucked either way.


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    Fuck Hilary's gun policy's and fuck letting refugees here.

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    Trump won't start ww3

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    People said the exact same thing about Hitler.

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    Hitler was a socialist liberal sounds more like Hilary Clinton to me

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    Hitler was a socialist liberal sounds more like Hilary Clinton to me

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    I wouldn't cosign either of these guys really

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    Quote Originally Posted by Above T.O.P. View Post
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    Hitler was a socialist liberal sounds more like Hilary Clinton to me

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    Hitler was a socialist liberal sounds more like Hilary Clinton to me
    He was far right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jjcb View Post
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    People said the exact same thing about Hitler.
    no, they didn't - because great britain was the country that started WW ll by declaring war on germany. at no point did hitler plan a world war, but he was forced to engage in an all out war because his troops were already exhausted and germany would have had no chance in a war of attrition vs. great britain and pretty much everyone standing up for poland at the time.


    hitler never desired word domination, and instead tried to conquer all land east of germany as living space for his future aryan race. of course hitler is the reason why it came to a WW ll, but that's not what your comparison implies.

    the trump/hitler comparison is also absurd because their situations aren't in the least comparable. hitler had control over an entire country and every governing system and then some, while trump would not be able to push anything through without the congress leveraging him out. trump would have to seize control of an entire apparatus to even think about pushing through anything like hitler did, and even then he would most likely be lynched by an entire continent on the spot. there's a reason why obama could get nothing substantially done as his tenure neared its end, and it is not because obama was not a man that tried to push change through.

    the whole trump mania is ridiculous, and this goes for both sides. trump has already showed what charisma and smart thinking can achieve, but he won't be able to change pretty much a continent in its entirety from the ground up. likewise, the world (or rather, the US) won't end if he gets elected. america and the world survived bush (albeit with nigh-irreparable damage) and trump won't be an exception.

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    Eh @Sigma; the problem with trump isn't that he can pull the strings like he wants, which he can't as I pointed out earlier already. But him as americas representative?

    Yeah..

    ...just a man of little consequence.


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    Eh @Sigma; the problem with trump isn't that he can pull the strings like he wants, which he can't as I pointed out earlier already. But him as americas representative?

    Yeah..
    i agree with this. while i myself would not be sure who i'd personally vote for if i lived in the US (mainly because clinton is an absolutely atrocious runner for the democrats), it is undeniable that pretty much all of europe thinks of trump as a joke. it is true that there are right wing parties gaining traction, particularly in the united kingdom, greece etc., but the support for a candidate like trump, who is definitely a right-wingers dream, is still very condensed. this is not to mention countries like france, germany and so on who are downright afraid of having trump engage in world affairs.

    here's a pew poll about trump's approval ratings in europe.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/29/po...trump-clinton/

    9% is absolutely abysmal. while clinton's european approval ratings of 37% are still very rocky, this is still miles ahead of trump's.
    compare both of these to the somewhat controversial obama, who had approval ratings of 77% at the time of the article (which is only barely a month old, anyways). trump is quite frankly bad for business in america, and that alone makes his plans close to impossible. he would need a massive revamp of his public image, and that's never happening.

    i feel like i should also mention australia. almost half of australia wants to distance itself from america if trump were to be elected.




    let that fact sink in. they are hesitant of upholding their relationship with an entire continent because of a single representative. while i think the fear surrounding trump will somewhat lessen as time goes on, we are talking mere trifles here in my opinion.

    don't get me wrong, i am not anti-trump - but everyone that votes trump needs to be fully aware of the fact that they could hurt global relations for years to come in the hopes of achieving change in their own country. and that price is even tougher when you consider that change under trump seems like a distant dream after acknowledging the power of the congress.
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    It's funny, because nobody seems satisfied with either of the two candidates, democratically chosen from a roster of possible representatives.

    Doesn't it generate a question or two?

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    Dear God, I can't even make a Hitler joke.

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    no one is satisfied with the candidates because the majority didn't ask for this. its been rigged from the start.

    Even after the 2012 election was over, Clinton was poised to win 2016. Sanders was a monkey wrench that was handled. I'm still partially convinced that Trump and Clinton are in cahoots with one another, so he can say all these outlandish things to get her elected.

    Thats just what it feels like, but who knows

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    no one is satisfied with the candidates because the majority didn't ask for this. its been rigged from the start.

    Even after the 2012 election was over, Clinton was poised to win 2016. Sanders was a monkey wrench that was handled. I'm still partially convinced that Trump and Clinton are in cahoots with one another, so he can say all these outlandish things to get her elected.

    Thats just what it feels like, but who knows

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