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  1. #21
    She's not the direct combat type.
    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

  2. #22
    Then what puts her in B rather than C or D? Her defense?

  3. #23
    She can keep up with Mordred etc in direct combat while having vastly superior defenses, though she loses out in the offensive department.

    Jeanne Alter, who focuses entirely on direct combat would probably give Artoria a run for her money for instance.
    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

  4. #24
    But Jeanne Alter has a shoddy defense right?

  5. #25
    Not even, because of her ridiculous mana supply she actually upkeeps her Magical Resistance EX and converts most of it to offense when attacking.
    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

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    Then were would you put her on the tier list?

    And what is Semiramis doing in D, isn't she the top of the assassins (not the tier Dofla created )?

  7. #27
    @DoflaMihawk; @Albion;

    Ozymandius/Rameness II seems like S material, doesnt he? Atlesst upper A along with Achilles, I'd say.

    Rider's True Name is Ramesses II (ラムセス二世, Ramusesu Nisei?), the third pharoah of the Nineteenth Dynasty of Egypt. He likes to refer to himself as the King of Kings (王の中の王, Ō no Naka no Ō?), and also prefers being addressed as Ozymandias (オジマンディアス, Ojimandiasu?) by other Servants and people.

    Rider is an extremely powerful Servant, prompting even Saber to claim that Rider is superior to himself. Caster also admits that, despite all of the powerful defenses he set up, Rider would still be able to completely destroy his stronghold if he chose so.
    He is given the class of Rider due to his Noble Phantasm Mesektet, the boat of the sun. It is able to fly through the skies and fire several beams of light that can scorch the earth. Rider is also able to summon just parts of it if he chooses and it is both sturdy and large enough that just causing the front of it to appear is enough to demolish a sizeable portion of his Master's workshop.
    Another one of his Noble Phantasms is The Sphinx of Abu el-Hol. The beast is released as a minion, rather than a normal mount of someone of the Rider class. He claims that it has the power to defeat three Servants, even though Saber is able to slay it. The Sphinx is able to cover itself with flames, instantly melting the materials its body comes into contact with. An example of this would be concrete, which became similar in shape to melted candy upon coming into contact with it. It can also adjust the temperature of its claws specifically, turning them into red hot blades.
    Finally, Rider seems to possess some unspecified level of skill at magecraft, but it is probably fairly high since he possesses a Reality Marble, Ramesseum Tentyris. It manifests itself as a large temple where a large number of different Phantasmal Beasts reside. While they are inferior to his Sphinx, their numbers are an extreme threat.
    He has also given other demonstrations of his skill at Magecraft, easily noticing Misaya's familiar and saying it was the work of an amateur, while she herself is considered by her father to be a genius who wields Mystic Codes and repairs Bounded Fields before the age of ten. He also demonstrated something akin to Mystic Eyes, or high level suggestive Magecraft, by being able to knock Misaya uncounscious just by glaring at her familiar. He is also seen observing the battle between Saber and his Sphinx from a distance, utilizing some form of orb.


    Fucker stole Gils title and also looks somewhat similar... huh.

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    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

  8. #28
    He seems pretty strong.
    I would put him with Achilles.

  9. #29
    Yeah, that seems like the right placement.
    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

  10. #30
    I think Semiramis should move up in the tier list, she isn't just a plain old Assassin.
    She has the looks to move up too.

  11. #31
    I agree.
    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

  12. #32
    Why is Iskander in A?

  13. #33
    Why shouldn't he be? His NP is that good.
    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

  14. #34
    Don't see him beating EMIYA or Cu

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    Quote Originally Posted by W View Post
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    Don't see him beating EMIYA or Cu
    If I remember right isn't his NP supposed to also have people superior to him in his army


  16. #36
    It does.
    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

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    It does.
    How strong are some of the people in it and who are notable?


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    How strong are some of the people in it and who are notable?
    We don't know the specifics, just that some are superior to Iskandar himself.
    Every story needs a good old-fashioned villain.

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    We don't know the specifics, just that some are superior to Iskandar himself.
    Hmm I see quite the mystery then


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    Wouldn't Gae Bolg when thrown decimate the army?

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