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    Farage on Merkel.


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    I wonder if the death/murder of that parliaments person will affect the referendum on a brexit




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    No.

    I don't wanna spend any more than I already do when I go to other European countries for holidays.

    That's actually all the reason I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichiryuu View Post
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    I wonder if the death/murder of that parliaments person will affect the referendum on a brexit
    Who knows. I can see Remain using her as part of their campaign. Tragic case though. A lot of people give her high praises for her dilligence.

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    No.

    I don't wanna spend any more than I already do when I go to other European countries for holidays.

    That's actually all the reason I need.
    Wouldn't a higher population lead to a higher demand for tickets?

    Which would mean higher ticket costs?


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    This will to leave the EU does not date from the last rain: London had joined the European process (then the European Economic Community) in 1973 that seriously shuffled and by regularly hear his difference. In recent years, as the EU continues to expand, to rise, to complicate, that differences among member countries further increase and some calls for greater integration, the UK obviously feel less and less comfortable in this marriage of convenience and openly considering divorce.
    This is illustrated by Ipsos-Mori polls who both gave the winner Brexit camp, 53% against 47% for the first, 52% against 48% for the second.
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3273141.html

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    Some of the complaints on Britain's part may be fair. Regardless, they should not leave, that's not the wise choice.

    Look people. There are times in History, where smaller formations are more adequate, they work greatly and they have their positive sides. Just like ancient Greek City States or city small cities like Venice or Genova much later, when again smaller formations were able to thrive. There are other times, when History favors large formations and massive states. Just like in the late Classical Period when Alexander understood that he had to unite the Greeks cause he understood that it was the time of unions. Some people like Demosthenes, although clever could not feel that, wanted to stay and cling on the older system of small city states and they were the left outs of History.

    Now, we are on a period which greatly demands large formations, larger than ever before. In the globalized world, you can't avoid global competitions from countries that may be dozens of times larger and more populated than yours. You have to either be able to compete on your own due to numbers and size like the US or China, or by being a part of something larger like the EU. Either that or you may turn out to be a protectorate of one of the big powers in order to survive. Now, of course you may say that numbers aint everything and of course countries like Britain have so many advantages in terms of institutions, technology, innovation opposed to big countries like India, but how long will that last in the globalized world?

    Of course, I'm not saying that Britain of all countries, one of the biggest economies of the world, will be helpless or will get destroyed on it's own. Far from that. If anything, Britain is one of the few EU countries that can realistically take that route. It will not be a disaster or anything like that. But it will never be able to have the kind of influence and impact in the world on it's own, nor will it ever become what it used to be in the past. And as the time goes on it may be overshadowed in terms of influence, power and economy by other, now developing countries. Keep in mind that the EU in total has issues competing, imagine how harder it will be for countries, even it's most powerful ones on their own. On the other hand, countries like Germany, France or Britain, being part of a larger formation can still use the power of that Union to exert a great influence in the world.

    In the end, for Britain both options are realistically on the table. On the long run it will not benefit from leaving though. This is the time for Unions, not division, or reverting to older smaller unities.
    The EU is destroying each and every one of its member states by its very design. The migrant crisis has accelerated this decline because the migrants are flowing in at such numbers that they cannot integrate and will eventually become the ethnic majority, rather than the minority. Germany and Sweden will be transformed by the numbers they have taken in and they will never be the same. Their cultures will be erased. Never mind the UK which simply does not have the space to receive significant numbers of migrants. Even the world's most famous refugee, the Dalai Lama has been saying migrants need to return home rather than join the EU because of that one reason. Furthermore, it is literally France, Germany and the UK footing the bill of ensuring the other states stay afloat. It is only a matter of time before those three crumble under the weight of it all like the others. The Nigerians have a saying that if a rich man lives in a house of poor people, he too will turn poor. When others are in constant need of your money, it is only a matter of time.

    Regardless of what you have said, Brexit is at worst a lesser of two evils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold View Post
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    The EU is destroying each and every one of its member states because of its very design. The migrant crisis has accelerated this decline because the migrants are flowing in at such number that they cannot integrate and will eventually become the ethnic majority, rather than the minority. Germany and Sweden will be transformed by it and they will never be the same. Their cultures will be erased. Even the world's most famous refugee, the Dalai Lama has been saying migrants need to return home rather than join the EU. Furthermore, it is literally France, Germany and the UK footing the bill of ensuring the other states stay afloat. It is only a matter of time before those three crumble under the weight of it all like the others. The Nigerians have a saying that if a rich man lives in a house of poor people, he too will turn poor. When others are in constant need of your money, it is only a matter of time.

    Regardless of what you have said, Brexit is at worst a lesser of two evils.
    You're forgetting the netherlands




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    Quote Originally Posted by Halaros 536 View Post
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    Some of the complaints on Britain's part may be fair. Regardless, they should not leave, that's not the wise choice.

    Look people. There are times in History, where smaller formations are more adequate, they work greatly and they have their positive sides. Just like ancient Greek City States or city small cities like Venice or Genova much later, when again smaller formations were able to thrive. There are other times, when History favors large formations and massive states. Just like in the late Classical Period when Alexander understood that he had to unite the Greeks cause he understood that it was the time of unions. Some people like Demosthenes, although clever could not feel that, wanted to stay and cling on the older system of small city states and they were the left outs of History.

    Now, we are on a period which greatly demands large formations, larger than ever before. In the globalized world, you can't avoid global competitions from countries that may be dozens of times larger and more populated than yours. You have to either be able to compete on your own due to numbers and size like the US or China, or by being a part of something larger like the EU. Either that or you may turn out to be a protectorate of one of the big powers in order to survive. Now, of course you may say that numbers aint everything and of course countries like Britain have so many advantages in terms of institutions, technology, innovation opposed to big countries like India, but how long will that last in the globalized world?

    Of course, I'm not saying that Britain of all countries, one of the biggest economies of the world, will be helpless or will get destroyed on it's own. Far from that. If anything, Britain is one of the few EU countries that can realistically take that route. It will not be a disaster or anything like that. But it will never be able to have the kind of influence and impact in the world on it's own, nor will it ever become what it used to be in the past. And as the time goes on it may be overshadowed in terms of influence, power and economy by other, now developping countries. Keep in mind that the EU in total has issues competing, imagine how harder it will be for countries, even it's most powerful ones on their own. On the other hand, countries like Germany, France or Britain, being part of a larger formation can still use the power of that Union to exert a great influence in the world.

    In the end, for Britain both options are realistically on the table. On the long run it will not benefit from leaving though. This is the time for Unions, not division, or reverting to older smaller unities.
    Shut up, you just want the sweet britbucks, you lazy shit.

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    Some of the complaints on Britain's part may be fair. Regardless, they should not leave, that's not the wise choice.

    Look people. There are times in History, where smaller formations are more adequate, they work greatly and they have their positive sides. Just like ancient Greek City States or city small cities like Venice or Genova much later, when again smaller formations were able to thrive. There are other times, when History favors large formations and massive states. Just like in the late Classical Period when Alexander understood that he had to unite the Greeks cause he understood that it was the time of unions. Some people like Demosthenes, although clever could not feel that, wanted to stay and cling on the older system of small city states and they were the left outs of History.

    Now, we are on a period which greatly demands large formations, larger than ever before. In the globalized world, you can't avoid global competitions from countries that may be dozens of times larger and more populated than yours. You have to either be able to compete on your own due to numbers and size like the US or China, or by being a part of something larger like the EU. Either that or you may turn out to be a protectorate of one of the big powers in order to survive. Now, of course you may say that numbers aint everything and of course countries like Britain have so many advantages in terms of institutions, technology, innovation opposed to big countries like India, but how long will that last in the globalized world?

    Of course, I'm not saying that Britain of all countries, one of the biggest economies of the world, will be helpless or will get destroyed on it's own. Far from that. If anything, Britain is one of the few EU countries that can realistically take that route. It will not be a disaster or anything like that. But it will never be able to have the kind of influence and impact in the world on it's own, nor will it ever become what it used to be in the past. And as the time goes on it may be overshadowed in terms of influence, power and economy by other, now developping countries. Keep in mind that the EU in total has issues competing, imagine how harder it will be for countries, even it's most powerful ones on their own. On the other hand, countries like Germany, France or Britain, being part of a larger formation can still use the power of that Union to exert a great influence in the world.

    In the end, for Britain both options are realistically on the table. On the long run it will not benefit from leaving though. This is the time for Unions, not division, or reverting to older smaller unities.
    Shut up, you just want the sweet britbucks, you lazy shit.

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    Precisely, EU Law is the only thing that is really keeping orgnisations like TTIP at bay for the time being.

    England does want it though, under this current far right government. Our trade minister has stated publically that talks between TTIP and England are ongoing. What we get out TTIP being given license to move in England is a loosening of american banking regulations, which would be a massive bonus to us in terms of our borrowing powers. The conservatives dont care about privatising the NHS when a bargaining chip like that is being put on the table. That is essentially what they mean when they say things like returning power back to England
    Tories are far right? Are you retarded?

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    Precisely, EU Law is the only thing that is really keeping orgnisations like TTIP at bay for the time being.

    England does want it though, under this current far right government. Our trade minister has stated publically that talks between TTIP and England are ongoing. What we get out TTIP being given license to move in England is a loosening of american banking regulations, which would be a massive bonus to us in terms of our borrowing powers. The conservatives dont care about privatising the NHS when a bargaining chip like that is being put on the table. That is essentially what they mean when they say things like returning power back to England
    Tories are far right? Are you retarded?

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    Think I'm with @Bold; on this in wanting to leave.

    A point I'm seeing been made a lot in TV debates is that leaving the EU would affect trade negotiations with them. But UK is still the fifth biggest economy in the world, so it should be easy to make new trade deals.

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    Gonna be disappointed if we remain.

    When corporations like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and the rest of the banking industry want us to stay in, that should speak to people. The very same organisations that really screwed the pooch not that long ago want us to remain. Nearly everyone who endorses Remain are part of super-rich groups that want to maintain the status quo because it makes them richer. They don't care about ordinary people. Just look at Tony Blair and Angela Merkel.

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    Think I'm with @Bold; on this in wanting to leave.

    A point I'm seeing been made a lot in TV debates is that leaving the EU would affect trade negotiations with them. But UK is still the fifth biggest economy in the world, so it should be easy to make new trade deals.
    Good man.


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    I'm not even in a mood to debate this.The same populistic nonsense about how you are resisting the bankers, the rich people, the system. Same shit as with Greece last year, I'm not getting over this again.

    Do what you like, but keep in mind that the dangers are not only economic in nature, they are also national.

    The leaders of all five political parties represented in the Scottish parliament have issued a joint statement asking Scots to vote for EU membership on Thursday (23 June). Scottish parliament leader Nicola Sturgeon additionally teamed up with all her five predecessors to issue another statement in the same spirit. Sturgeon has warned that a Leave vote would open up the debate on another referendum on Scottish independence.

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    Need to read up more on it on myself, but generally:

    - to have greater control of their laws rather than being restrained by what is decided in Brussels
    - to leave the schengen agreement that comes with EU membership for a "borderless Europe". This is in regards to security and also to lessen the strain on healthcare, schools, housing due to the population surge.
    - to cut down costs. It costs Britain 140 million pounds a week to be a member of the EU. I've seen some say its 55 million a day but I think that doesn't take into account what Britain gains which still results in a 140 million loss weekly.


    That's general gist.
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    Voted leave an hour ago.

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    I'm not even in a mood to debate this.The same populistic nonsense about how you are resisting the bankers, the rich people, the system. Same shit as with Greece last year, I'm not getting over this again.

    Do what you like, but keep in mind that the dangers are not only economic in nature, they are also national.
    So you ignore the post I made to you about national dangers for the post you've no interest in debating?


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    I'll be waiting for this. Would be huge if the British left.




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    Leave side currently up by 150,000 votes with around 10% of the vote counted thus far.

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    Looks like the UK and the EU are no more

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    Quote Originally Posted by WILD View Post
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    Looks like the UK and the EU are no more
    Heard the vote was not legally binding. How big was the difference in the leave victory?

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    This will to leave the EU does not date from the last rain: London had joined the European process (then the European Economic Community) in 1973 that seriously shuffled and by regularly hear his difference. In recent years, as the EU continues to expand, to rise, to complicate, that differences among member countries further increase and some calls for greater integration, the UK obviously feel less and less comfortable in this marriage of convenience and openly considering divorce.
    This is illustrated by Ipsos-Mori polls who both gave the winner Brexit camp, 53% against 47% for the first, 52% against 48% for the second.
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3273141.html
    Referendum always win.

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    I honestly did not see it coming even though I knew the majority in Britain, and Europe for that matter, despise the EU union. All the nonsense about "EU benefits" such as trade and economy boost means nothing when Europeans had a higher quality of life before its creation. Good job Britain! Now the results would bear fruit if the rest of Europe followed.

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    I'm not even in a mood to debate this.The same populistic nonsense about how you are resisting the bankers, the rich people, the system. Same shit as with Greece last year, I'm not getting over this again.

    Do what you like, but keep in mind that the dangers are not only economic in nature, they are also national.
    Tbf, Greece complied and dug the hole deeper in the process. More loans > even bigger problems.

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